$200 NLHE Full Ring: What would you do?

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: What would you do?

Villan - tight, passive, fishy player. Past history with him, I've seen him call light, but never bet/push light. To my knowledge, I've deemed him 99% incapable of a complex multi street bluff/semi. I feel he is not use to playing deep stack poker, and with a limited/scared bankroll.

My table image is solid, tight, aggressive player. Won big hands showing down AA and a set.

NL 1/2
Villan - $300 - UTG - raises to $11
Hero - $600 - CO - calls $11 (pocket 2s)
BTN - calls
SB - calls
BB - calls

Preflop pot = $55

Flop comes 9(h) 5(s) 2(d)
Villan bets $25
Hero calls $25
Everyone else folds out

Flop pot = $105

Turn comes 8(c)
Villan bets $50
Hero calls $50

Turn pot = $205

River comes K(d)
Villan bets $100
Hero calls $100

What would you do differently in this line? I'm putting him on AK/AQ,etc or a big overpair on the flop with a CBet, but I didn't want to risk the chance of raising on the flop if he did had AK I didn't want a fold. I'm not afraid of hands like 5-5 or 9-9. Board was safe enough so I peeled.
Turn he fires again, I'm sure he has some overpair, minimum 10-10. But His stack was deep enough that a raise here, he'd be able to get away from 10-10, putting me on a hand like 9-8. His river bet? Now the only hand that can river bet a King in my opinion is KK, AK, AA. Judging by his line through the hand it was KK or AA.

Any insight? or was my play too conservative?
 
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Flop/turn are fine, I shove river all day.

Preflop is also a bit suspect. You don't have that great implied odds because he raises somewhat large, although you are deep. The reason you would call is because you expect him to stack a lot with his hands he raises UTG. If you get less than half effective stacks when you hit a set and exactly one hand in his range beats you, please fold preflop. If you're going to call preflop, jam river and have his AA/AK pay you off. Sure he has KK once in a while and maybe 99 but both have a lot less combos than AA and AK, and if he folds AK/AA to a shove you definitely need to be folding 22 preflop.
 
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Thanks for your input so quickly.

I'd already discounted AK from his river, it didn't make sense to me that he'd double barrel and then spike a king. This opponent was definitely not capable of betting AK again OOP on the turn. The only logical hands that made sense was AA or KK. One I get paid his additional $100. The other I'd lose another $100. QQ pair or worse would fold/not bet on the river. Bluffs would fold.

$11 wasn't a large raise at this table, typical raises were $12-25 preflop for a wide range of hands. I also felt that I've had a firm grasp on his raising UTG range that I could outplay him on later streets. Stacks were deep as well in comparision to rest of table.

However, I totally get what you were saying about maximizing when hitting sets when pf your calling as huge dogs. I really did sit there and think for a LONG time about what to do on the river, ended up just calling.
 
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Board: 9h 5s 2d Kd 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.667% 66.67% 00.00% 18 0.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 33.333% 33.33% 00.00% 9 0.00 { KK+ }


Unless he's folding AA to a shove (which may be the case), you definitely have to shove here. If he does this with 99 it's exactly 50-50 which means you have to shove regardless because it's possible 99 is not in his range (ie it's either even money or you have the edge so you shove).

The only way you should not shove here is if he folds AA to a shove. And as mentioned before if he's good at folding overpairs, please don't call preflop.
 
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I like to bet sets fast. I almost never slow play them. It can cost you chips sometimes, but when it works, you pull down HUGE pots which more then makes up losing a bet or 2.

Here I like a small raise on the flop, maybe raise to 60. If he sticks around, you know he's got an overpair or a higher set(in which case, you're boned 99% of the time). If he repops, call and let him shove on the turn. If he folds, well, you might have lost his second bet...but the pressure is on him the whole time. Many times even AK will call hoping to spike on the turn, and then give up.
 
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Board: 9h 5s 2d Kd 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.667% 66.67% 00.00% 18 0.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 33.333% 33.33% 00.00% 9 0.00 { KK+ }

I'm sorry I don't understand this chart you just posted and where the numbers came from.



I like to bet sets fast. I almost never slow play them. It can cost you chips sometimes, but when it works, you pull down HUGE pots which more then makes up losing a bet or 2.

Here I like a small raise on the flop, maybe raise to 60. If he sticks around, you know he's got an overpair or a higher set(in which case, you're boned 99% of the time). If he repops, call and let him shove on the turn. If he folds, well, you might have lost his second bet...but the pressure is on him the whole time. Many times even AK will call hoping to spike on the turn, and then give up.

Ok I don't get what your trying to say.

A raise on the flop accomplishes very little IMO. Only thing it does is build a pot.

-a raise will stop a bluff/C-better from continuing to bluff/c-bet on later streets.
-It will give the opponent a chance to fold a decent pair on later streets

Also, why would I want to have the pressure on him the whole time? I'm so certain that my set is the best hand on the flop I want him to stick around and have no reason to drive him out. Or am I wrong for not building the pot right away.
 
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