$200 NLHE Full Ring: Weird River Spot with TPTK against Unknown

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: Weird River Spot with TPTK against Unknown

Villain is unknown, first session with him, he open limps so basically we assume he's a fish:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed)

MP3 ($253.15)
CO ($204.70)
Hero (Button) ($203)
SB ($155.50)
BB ($295.35)
UTG ($200)
UTG+1 ($207.85)
MP1 ($68.45)
MP2 ($200)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q
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, A
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5 folds, CO calls $2, Hero bets $8, 2 folds, CO calls $6

Flop: ($19) J
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, 10
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, 2
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(2 players)
CO bets $20, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($59) Q
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(2 players)
CO bets $20, Hero calls $20

River: ($99) 7
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(2 players)
CO checks

Obviously we're almost always good here but what does he have that calls a bet? Maybe KJ or AJ? If he were a reg I'd fire here since a few draws missed and he may look up light but I expect a fish to even fold Jx here a good deal of the time. Obviously he's folding random draws. Basically the question is does he have more hands he'll call with that we beat than he has hands he'll C/R here (value or bluff, doesn't matter because I'm folding to a shove as the heavy majority of his C/R hands are like AK) or call and have us beat? Both ranges are extremely small, but do I vbet this river or just check it behind?
 
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From the betting I think maybe trips on the flop and the str8s scare him on the river or he is trying to make you think he missed his draw. I would check here. Pots pretty sweet already. Why lose more if not necessary.
 
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Versus an unknown, I think bet/folding is just fine, with a sizing of about $60. You'll get called by KQ, KJ, AJ, maybe even J9, and... Well, it's an unknown. Who knows? Maybe he'll put you on a diamond draw and look you up with 22.

I don't think I'd ever check this back vs. an unknown. Or, honestly, versus almost anyone.
 
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One hand that im thinking more than any is 8-9 of diamonds? , i'd check,
But if he really is a bad player i could even see a guy with 777 here or something a long those lines, i dont see him flopping a set, if so i think the turn bet shoulda been a lil more. If hes wild enough to bet the pot on the flop with AK there, then i would think, he would have 3 bet your pre, or opened for a raise from the start, so i cant really put him on slick. If he is bad tho a hand like q10 suited or j10suited or qj are all strong possibilites.
 
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Looks like K - 10 of diamonds. Bet on the turn looks like a blocking bet to get to his draw cheap.

River miss, hoping for show down w/ his 10. You'd probably have to bet semi-light to get a call on the river, after you cold call twice. He can't beat much cept a busted draw.

Weird spot definately...
 
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I'm checking here for sure. If you bet and he reraises, what does that get you. You have to fold and you have no idea what he was throwing those bets at you with. Not having any info on him, this is a perfect spot to get some. And he opened himself wide up for it. I'd say value bet, after you figure out a bit about him first. But if you end up having to fold you're pretty much starting at square 1 .
 
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