$200 NLHE Full Ring: Weak flush facing triple barrel on paired board.

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PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 126.5 BB
UTG+1: 106.5 BB
MP: 100.88 BB
MP+1: 103.91 BB
CO: 100 BB
BTN: 128.07 BB
SB: 119.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7:diamond: 6:diamond:

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) J:diamond: T:diamond: 2:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets 7.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB, fold

Turn: (24.5 BB, 2 players) J:spade:
Hero checks, CO bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

River: (56.5 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
Hero checks, CO bets 37.5 BB, fold,

Readless. This isn't my hand but what do you guys think?
 
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Well, first off, I don't really care for the call preflop. If it was a better spot, like H is IP, 3 or 4w, I like it better.

However, as played, I think we can easily raise flop.

But, we could also play it just the same way, and I don't mind it. As long as we give up to aggression if a 4th diamond comes off. I like the play, it keeps alot of V's range in we are beating.


But still, all in all, I don't like getting involved preflop HU with this hand, with 100 BB effective stacks. Just not enough to win. V did open in EP. He probably has something good.

Edit:

Read too quickly. The 3rd guy changes things. Now we have another possibility out there.
 
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So with the 3rd guy involved, he is the one who takes control postflop. He could easily have a better flush/boat here (2-2? A-Xs? Edit... J-10, duh))

Considering that, we could fold turn. It is a tough fold, but probably the correct one. This is why I suggest not getting involved OOP with this hand. So tough to know where you are.
 
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Right, I want to say river is too tight of a fold but it really makes sense to fold here.

On turn idk, I think villain barrels with trips and the Ad. Also agree Flop should be a raise to get value from those exact hands.
 
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Deffo play faster on the flop, board is wet as all hell. As played, we're so under repped, I think we have to call down.
 
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Pretty sure defending here is -EV. It is freaking hard to make a hand, and even if we make two pair we can get counterfeited. And unless our opponents are donkeys, it's unlikely we stack them when we make a flush/straight/two pair. And we are drawing dead flush v flush. We should always be wary if people are giving us a ton of action on a montone board with weak/medium flushes. We also get paid off way less often the higher we move up, as people can read ranges better and not stack off as light, basically knowing how to fold. Defending blinds/cold-calling too wide IP imo is one of the biggest leaks many players have.

Flop I think leading out is the best play. I don't think most people will give us credit to have a flush in our donking range. They might even raise our donk bet, and we can get it in. Top two and all sets are almost never folding to a 3-barrel donk on a reasonable runout, and if we check-raise flop or turn, they can find a pretty easy fold somewhere in the hand. TPTK/overpairs pay off 3-barrels a decent % of the time too, as they might put us on AJ or some busted Ad.

As played, it's pretty close on the river. We are beaten by 1 combo of JJ, 3 combos of 1010, and 2 combos of AKdd/AQdd. We need less than 30% equity to call I believe, so he only has to be bluffing/thinly value betting 2 combos to make this call breakeven. We are also underrepped, so we gotta call. I don't fault a fold though; we're probably only good 35-40% of the time. Calling should be slightly +EV.
 
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Bettor should also have J10s and maybe suited aces, A2/A4/A5 if that makes it a fold idk.

I agree we are pretty under repped so villain can have more bluffs then usual but it's a pretty tough spot readless.
 
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Honestly, pretty awful all the way through imo
1. Fold pre, playing small suited connectors in the blinds is a losing play in the data bases of all our teaching group. Maybe only if it was a lot deeper.
2. Check raise on the flop, we should be looking to get as much in as possible on the flop.
3. As played call on the river. Lots of Jx the CO is betting for value that we beat.
 
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IMO, this is a pretty good example of why we don't call raises OOP with hands like this, 100 BB effective stacks.
 
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My bad about the combos we're beaten by. Misread CO as UTG + 1. Makes it more of a reason to call then.
 
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My bad about the combos we're beaten by. Misread CO as UTG + 1. Makes it more of a reason to call then.

Wait, more combos that beat us makes it more of a call?

I was actually the bettor in this hand and held 76s also but obviously not of diamonds. I usually don't make low equity bluffs but once checked to on this flop I decide to bluff then decided to barrel turn because villain has less top pair combos and his range appears weak and then I fired river cuz I haz 7 high. I thought he would fold weak pairs with flush draws, A high flush draws and maybe trips if I was lucky.

Blew my mind to see he folded a flush and wanted to see if it was as crazy a fold as I thought it was or if it was just a spot that would be a correct fold most of the time.
 
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Wait, more combos that beat us makes it more of a call?

I was actually the bettor in this hand and held 76s also but obviously not of diamonds. I usually don't make low equity bluffs but once checked to on this flop I decide to bluff then decided to barrel turn because villain has less top pair combos and his range appears weak and then I fired river cuz I haz 7 high. I thought he would fold weak pairs with flush draws, A high flush draws and maybe trips if I was lucky.

Blew my mind to see he folded a flush and wanted to see if it was as crazy a fold as I thought it was or if it was just a spot that would be a correct fold most of the time.


Ahh.


I'm a nit most times. I would have wanted to fold the turn, but don't know if I'd be good enough. It's a tough spot for EP dude.
 
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Ahh.


I'm a nit most times. I would have wanted to fold the turn, but don't know if I'd be good enough. It's a tough spot for EP dude.

Folding turn is just terrible though? I can still be betting Jx for value and Adx as a bluff.
 
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Folding turn is just terrible though? I can still be betting Jx for value and Adx as a bluff.


I get it. I would never ever be in this spot anyway. I fold pre if I am V here.
 
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Fold pre unless the cc is a fish, and still it isn't the greatest. I feel fine with either play on the river, your hand is underrepped so I think I lean on the side of calling he may of turned hands with jx1d into a value hand.
 
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3. As played call on the river. Lots of Jx the CO is betting for value that we beat.

This. You really can't fold this river. Since it's nit ring you'll lose a ton but look at the pot odds you're getting compared to all the Jx he's valuebetting not to mention random AdX or even AQ that might show up here and there.
 
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I have no ring cred. None. Where in a tourney I might try some fancy play (knowing about the FPS) at ring I raise that flop. Once the board pairs I back off, but I'm seeing that river.

And it is freaking rare to flop an upper tier hand. Even rarer to get beat after flopping one. It is tragic when it happens, but that is the essence of the game, so I'm taking what is generally a monster to the river where I expect to sip sweetly from those waters. :D
 
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Not trying to be mean, I'm pretty sure you'll know that... but you played every street bad.

Fold pre. Lead or CR the flop. Bet turn. c/c river w/o read otherwise bet river.
 
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Not trying to be mean, I'm pretty sure you'll know that... but you played every street bad.

Fold pre. Lead or CR the flop. Bet turn. c/c river w/o read otherwise bet river.

I was the villain in this hand and only had 7 high. Was just curious if villains fold was as bad as I thought or if it was just a next level fold. Guess it was just bad.
 
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I was the villain in this hand and only had 7 high. Was just curious if villains fold was as bad as I thought or if it was just a next level fold. Guess it was just bad.

Ya, good.... I've read enough of your hands to know you're much much better than that.
 
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