$200 NLHE Full Ring: Two Tough AQ Hands

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: Two Tough AQ Hands

ok first off I didn't play these hands friend who plays 1/2 showed me these hands, wondering what you guys would do. Both rush so not too many reads:

full tilt poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 529722
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SB: $117.80
BB: $804.20
UTG: $47.10
UTG+1: $159.25
Hero (UTG+2): $223.45
MP1: $88.75
MP2: $345.50
CO: $284.15
BTN: $243.95

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+2 with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, Hero calls $4, MP1 calls $4, 4 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($17.00) Q T A (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $6, Hero calls $6, MP1 calls $6, BB folds

Turn: ($35.00) 5 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $35, Hero calls $35, MP1 raises to $78.75 all in, UTG+1 raises to $149.25 all in


Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 529726
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CO: $1155.05
BTN: $112.65
SB: $176.30
BB: $260.85
UTG: $200.00
Hero (UTG+1): $205.00
UTG+2: $175.30
MP1: $193.75
MP2: $236.65

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+1 with Q
A
1 fold,
Hero raises to $7, 6 folds, BB raises to $22, Hero raises to $49, BB calls $27

Flop: ($99.00) A
♠ Q ♠ 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($99.00) 6
(2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero calls $20

River: ($139.00) 2
(2 players)
BB bets $191.85 all in


 
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Hand 1: Reraise preflop. Against an EP raiser I generally dislike 3 betting AQo but against a min raise I generally would raise for value and to isolate with position, unless we have some sort of read that villain min raises AA or something.

Flop: When he bets this baby bet of 1/3 the pot into 3 players I'd raise all day to push out / extract value from pair gutshots and flushdraws, as well as inferior 2 pairs and AK.

Turn: I actually think villain may have AA here at this point, but we've underrepped our hand so much and we look like we're drawing,so I think we have to snap this. Anytime we underrep our hand I generally dislike folding. On top of that unless I have reason to indicate otherwise, I tend to assume people that min raise preflop (in NLHE Cash games at least) are bad. Bad players overvalue hands.

Hand 2: While the cold call of the 4 bet confuses me (generally it's fold or shove when a pot is 4 bet pre) and usually indicates huge strength (QQ+), again our hand is underrepped and looks like KK. If villain has AA or QQ chalk it up to a cooler (1 combo of each only). Call quickly unless we have some read that villain only overshoves monsters. Villain may flat with random nonsense and is now making a play on an Ace high board. AK seems unlikely (probably just ship it pre but I guess you never know) given the shove (what is trying to get called by that he beats?) but even AA seems weird to a shove (what is he trying to get called by if there's only a case Ace and we haven't shown any interest postflop, does he expect us to call a shove?).

I think this is QQ (hoping you have AK and just played it slowly but won't fold) or random nonsense most of the time. There's only 1 combo of QQ. Call.

Edit: Blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I just saw diamonds backdoored which may change my mind here.... before answering I'd like to hear Hero's reasoning for previous action (4 bet pre, flop check back, turn flat). I can see some logic in checking behind on the flop for deception / to get villain to spaz out (and obviously to minimize against AA QQ), but I think I jam turn for sure, especially against this ridiculous bet. I don't think it's even close
 
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hand two is so badly butchered i can't even wrap my head around it.

generally in fr you don't want to be 4-betting aq in that spot unless you know he's a crazy aggrotard, you didn't. as played though, you generally want to bet about 20-25% pot on that flop in a 4b pot, then bet 30-40% on the turn and shove/call any river.

The check behind, calling $20 and getting in that river spot is absolutely atrocious.


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Hand #1 is a shrug-fold. Not enough money went in pre and people are too likely to have TTT/KJ here.
 
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Sorry actually forgot he said that hand villain was 3-betting 35% I think and that he was getting AQ in preflop. Flop/Turn action was simply not much worse calls. Neither of us could really figure out what a flat a 4-bet range is and even though we flopped top 2 what is really calling a flop bet or turn raise? AK is like the only hand that does and he probably ships that pre a lot. I did raise the point that on that flop even though a worse hand that calls is rare so is a better hand. But still if that's true we should check flop and call turn to induce bluffs. It's just that when he jams river we didn't think that was a bluff so much.

Anyway results don't matter but first hand he called mp1 had AQ and utg+1 had KJ. Second hand he actually folded. I mean I kinda agree with the logic that no one in their right mind is betting 20 then overshoving when all they rep is a backdoor flush. On the other hand all they rep is a backdoor flush...

Also it's weird how he bets 20 then jams that river just looks it can be a blocker a ton whereas if he bet turn say 40-45 which is still smallish it sets up a pot sized river shove. It just leads me to believe he wasn't planning on jamming most rivers and only jammed because of this particular river.

Also to skillzdatkills I probably bet too but this guy's pretty good played up to 10/20 I think and is a coach at a major video site and his words were that betting that flop would be spew and that he still thought the call on the turn was fine but that a raise wouldn't be bad there. And if you really think about it I agree with him about the flop. There's just basically exactly one hand where betting the flop is optimal and that's when he has AK. With every other hand he can have it is better to check back the flop. Just a really weird spot.
 
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You should place strong bet on the flop.
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call
 
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