$200 NLHE Full Ring: TPTK OOP vs unknown

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Hi guys I played an interesting hand the other day at a 1/2 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

I open UTG with A:heart: K:spade: for $15. Villain in MP1 calls. Everyone else folds.

Hero: $200
Villain: $190

The flop comes: A:spade: 3:club: 6:club: $33 in pot

I lead for $20. Villain raises to $45. I call villain's min-raise given that his bet sizing indicated a medium strength hand or a draw and I was likely still ahead of his range.

The turn brings a blank 8:heart: $123 in pot

Hero checks. Villain shoves for $130. Hero???

Villain just sat down at the table so no reads on him whatsoever. Villain's range in a vacuum consists of AKs,AKo,33,66,A6s,A3s, and sometimes AA. Versus such a range I am an underdog with only 22 % equity therefore making it a clear fold. However after tanking villain shows me the A:club: asking me whether or not I can beat AK. Now villain's range changed drastically to either AA or AK since I don't believe he would call a pre-flop raise with a non-suited Ace.

Thanks for the feedback in advance guys! Also if I can get feedback on the hand prior to villain showing me the Ace would be highly appreciated :)
 
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Waiting for the turn is okay, given that you're often up against big draws on the flop. To me, this is a call/fold decision on the flop, and I'm not folding TPTK when the stack to pot ratio is 5.2.

The decision to donk the turn on the blank vs. checking is a judgement call based on whether you think villain is capable of continuing to bluff his draws or not. If he's aggressive enough to bluff, check. If he's going to check them back, bet. I'd probably bet ~$70 against an average 1/2 player.

I don't fold as played, and I snap call when he shows me an ace.
 
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You're giving him WAAAAY too tight a range. A huge number of 1/2 players will make the exact same play with A10+. Him showing the A makes me way MORE comfortable about calling because I expect him to fold A6os and A3os preflop, and raise AA/AK. I snap call and expect him to show up with Axcc, the only one of which we are losing to is A8cc.
 
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I think it is especially telling that he flashed the A and asked if you could beat AK. Thats not the move of a guy that wants to get called. He probably has a weak A with outs to a flush, or just a shitty A and hopes that you're scared he actually does have AK.

I think this is very rarely AA or AK.

I also don't understand checking the turn unless you plan to call a bet.
 
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lol he showed the Ac? That's about your que to snap. Granted if he was smarter than your average 1/2 live player you'd be beat here (like reversing a tell) but just considering the average dude at these tables I'm never ever folding, and especially if (for whatever reason) we don't think he's calling pre with off suit aces.

Without considering the flashed card I more or less agree with the first reply. Not folding. Not deep enough to give it much thought either. The small raise suggests to me he's not particularly strong yet. And yeah your range is off imo. If he actually flats AA pre so that he can raise you on an A high flop then lmao.
 
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I consider his min raise a medium strength hand and maybe some flush draw combos, I think your ahead to often to fold. His stack size already indicates he's not a regular.
 
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You're giving him WAAAAY too tight a range. A huge number of 1/2 players will make the exact same play with A10+. Him showing the A makes me way MORE comfortable about calling because I expect him to fold A6os and A3os preflop, and raise AA/AK. I snap call and expect him to show up with Axcc, the only one of which we are losing to is A8cc.

This is a more realistic range for villain to be here especially with the Ac.

OP: Why are you giving him a super narrow range? Just because Villain sat down does not mean we don't have any reads on him. We can use his table presence as a baseline to begin with (age, how he's dressed, talker, etc)
 
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Waiting for the turn is okay, given that you're often up against big draws on the flop. To me, this is a call/fold decision on the flop, and I'm not folding TPTK when the stack to pot ratio is 5.2.

The decision to donk the turn on the blank vs. checking is a judgement call based on whether you think villain is capable of continuing to bluff his draws or not. If he's aggressive enough to bluff, check. If he's going to check them back, bet. I'd probably bet ~$70 against an average 1/2 player.

I don't fold as played, and I snap call when he shows me an ace.

At 1/2 NL tables rarely have I seen any villain raise a combo draw on the flop if anything they hope to trap their opponents. When villains 3 bet it is usually indicative of a 2 pair or better type of hand. Also, don't you think an SPR of 5.2 for TPTK hand is a little too high?
 
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You're giving him WAAAAY too tight a range. A huge number of 1/2 players will make the exact same play with A10+. Him showing the A makes me way MORE comfortable about calling because I expect him to fold A6os and A3os preflop, and raise AA/AK. I snap call and expect him to show up with Axcc, the only one of which we are losing to is A8cc.

I guess you and I play against totally different 1/2 NL players. Villains at 1/2 flat with A10+ and raise with two pair or better type hands. Some better loose players raise with combo draws but I could tell that this player didn't fit this category. I have been in several situations in the past where villain 3 bets and we get in it 100 BB deep only to find out that he has a set or 2 pair and that I am an underdog holding TPTK.
 
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I believe at 1/2, they are so TA.

Why risk your buyin BR with just TPTK.

His raise on the flop says your hand is no good.
 
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I believe at 1/2, they are so TA.

Why risk your buyin BR with just TPTK.

His raise on the flop says your hand is no good.

not at all, that's vilain first hand

I would put him on Aces up or Ax nuts FD, but on 1st hand against unknown snap call here (there is no point to give up on the flop)

Next time if you are not confortable on these spots check OOP coz the flop is pretty dry.
 
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Also, don't you think an SPR of 5.2 for TPTK hand is a little too high?
Ed Miller doesn't.

1/2 players can certainly raise combo draws (or non-combo draws). You should have an idea for how much gamble is in him from his age, what drink he ordered, his race (gogo stereotypes), ect.
 
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Anyone else think re-raising villain on the flop is a good idea? Just my opinion, but thats what I would do.
 
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