$200 NLHE Full Ring: TP fold on the river

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Before i start the hand history, i would like to give a little information in the villain. She calls with a lot of TPTK till the river. She is very passive and raise with only good hands, i fold my JJ pre flop when she 3 bet me, she showed me AA.

Live casino - The blinds are $2 - $3 not $1 - $2. Since i dont have the option for that....

CO - Limps
BTN (Villain): $250 limps
SB: limps
Hero (BB): $300 - raises $15
CO-calls
BTN - calls
SB - folds

Pre Flop: (pot: $48 ) Hero has Ah qc

Flop: (3 players) 10d 5d 4h

Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $25, Hero calls

Turn: ($98, 2 players) 4d
Hero checks, Villains checks

River: ($98, 2 players) As
Hero checks, Villain snap bet $100

I tanked and i just thought she wouldnt bluff me with her hand, she would most likely be over valuing her AJ A9 or something like that. Didnt really feel like a flush or a full house.

When my decision are not distinctive, i just fold. I am thinking i need more hand analysis practice and especially i am playing more cash games now.

If anyone who could suggest me a nice book to really pin point hands, that would be great? :deal:

She told me after i folded and showed her my hand that she had AJ with Ad. :eek:

Felt like fish :mad:

Would she ever check back the nuts on the turn? Would she had A10 and bet on the river when i check to her twice?
 
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Given your read, why not fold the flop?

She can't be as passive as you think if she's betting overcards on that flop.
Or she was lying about her hand to get you to tilt, and really had AT or a set or the nut flush.
 
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Given your read, why not fold the flop?

She can't be as passive as you think if she's betting overcards on that flop.
Or she was lying about her hand to get you to tilt, and really had AT or a set or the nut flush.

Thought about that, i should have just layed it on the flop. Sticky me
 
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From your other HA posts it looks like your preflop raises are getting multiple callers, so make them bigger, you have 3 limps ahead already so make it $25.

CB that flop, you have draws that you want $$ from

Turn I'm probably betting that again.

River, perfect spot for a bet/fold, lead for $50

And again please stop posting results or put them into a spoiler.
 
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I don't understand x/call flop?
 
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I'm either cbetting or check folding depending on villains. I don't understand check call either. We rarely have the best hand multiway and we have very few cards that will improve us. There are good barreling cards (J+) though so you can argue a cbet
 
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From your other HA posts it looks like your preflop raises are getting multiple callers, so make them bigger, you have 3 limps ahead already so make it $25.

CB that flop, you have draws that you want $$ from

Turn I'm probably betting that again.

River, perfect spot for a bet/fold
, lead for $50

And again please stop posting results or put them into a spoiler.

I don't follow this line at all. I mean, what are we repping that can get a passive/fishy/sticky player to fold? All of this while, OOP? Really? Come on, someone really got that "Think tank" creating very creative plays.

I mean It's one thing to try this In position, It's a totally different thing to do this OOP, In a live game.

I sure don't want to be at a table with you:eek:
 
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There's something, I'd like anyone to answer for me.

Why didn't we Just take the free flop? I mean we were OOP, and BTN Is never folding pre-flop. So by raising we only bloat this pot, Unless we actually hit (Something), or get a dry enough board to make them fold. So when we raise (btw I agree with all your raise size sucked), and we get 2 callers, why are we x/calling?

I can somewhat see an argument for betting/folding or x/folding but I don't see any value In x/Calling nor any value In what "Jilly" suggested with the double "Ham OOP" and Bet/fold on river. As I would think that line would actually cost you more to pull (Not being rude but curious to understand Is all).

Also would like to ask, If you decided to raise Pre OOP, than why didn't you Cbet post? Did you think they being as passive/fishy connected with that board texture some how? Did you think they had a "Diamond draw/67/32/37/sets"?
 
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I would say fold the flop if this opponent is truly passive you should proceed carefully along all streets and charge for draws and if called be careful because they may not raise with hands that people typically 3bet with.
 
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I only see two ways to play that flop: c-bet, or check/fold. I hate playing Ace-high hands passively out of position, so the former would be my preference.
 
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From your other HA posts it looks like your preflop raises are getting multiple callers, so make them bigger, you have 3 limps ahead already so make it $25.

CB that flop, you have draws that you want $$ from

Turn I'm probably betting that again.

River, perfect spot for a bet/fold, lead for $50

And again please stop posting results or put them into a spoiler.

I don't follow this line at all. I mean, what are we repping that can get a passive/fishy/sticky player to fold? All of this while, OOP? Really? Come on, someone really got that "Think tank" creating very creative plays.

I mean It's one thing to try this In position, It's a totally different thing to do this OOP, In a live game.

I sure don't want to be at a table with you:eek:

There's something, I'd like anyone to answer for me.

Why didn't we Just take the free flop? I mean we were OOP, and BTN Is never folding pre-flop. So by raising we only bloat this pot, Unless we actually hit (Something), or get a dry enough board to make them fold. So when we raise (btw I agree with all your raise size sucked), and we get 2 callers, why are we x/calling?

I can somewhat see an argument for betting/folding or x/folding but I don't see any value In x/Calling nor any value In what "Jilly" suggested with the double "Ham OOP" and Bet/fold on river. As I would think that line would actually cost you more to pull (Not being rude but curious to understand Is all).

Also would like to ask, If you decided to raise Pre OOP, than why didn't you Cbet post? Did you think they being as passive/fishy connected with that board texture some how? Did you think they had a "Diamond draw/67/32/37/sets"?


Why would we want to limp AQ here?? You are missing so much value by not raising against these weak EP limpers. As I said make it $25 or $30 if players are being sticky at $15.

I'm playing my entire opening range for 2 barrels on a flop and turn like this. There are so few combos of Tx, 5x, 4x that we are behind and 2 barrels will get a lot live players to fold one pair hands.

Yeah the diamond on the turn sucks but again you can get value from someone who holds AdXx and anyone with a pair but no diamond is likely to give up here. And a large % of the time, no one has a flush anyway.

When the As hits the river you can make a smallish bet, looking exactly like you are trying to get value for your FH.
 
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Naruto we can rep plenty of things with two barrels here. All overpairs, AT maybe other Tx. Our value range is wide enough to barrel and a lot of cards will come on turn that improve our perceived range/give us outs. The turn is OK to barrel but villain dependent we might give up. Flop is pretty much a must bet after PFR imo. I agree with Jilly on his post above
 
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Fold flop. Why are we calling here OOP with A-high??

As played, fold river. I would he shocked if you have the best hand. She could have A-10 or even a boat OTT. She could check the turn trying to trap, let you catch up, etc.

Fold river, but more importantly, fold flop (As played).


However, one could argue a c-bet on this flop in 3w pot. I would probably c-bet this. Board is pretty dry, and it's hard for people to have much.
 
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