$200 NLHE Full Ring: QT0 on the BTN vs Villain

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Hi guys I played an interesting hand at a 1/2 NL live table and would like some feedback on the way I approached the hand.

Villain UTG limps, MP1 and MP2 limp, Hero opens for $15 on the BTN holding QTo. The SB and BB fold UTG calls MP1 and MP2 both fold.

Hero: $200 starting stack
Villain: $140 starting stack

The flop comes: Q J 3 rainbow $37 in pot

Villain checks. Hero bets $20. Villain calls.

The turn brings a K $77 in pot

Villain checks. Hero bets $50 Villain shoves for $105.

This table was very tight and limp heavy so QTo was good enough for a raise on the BTN given the table dynamic. I have won a couple of pots pre-flop prior to this one by opening in position for $15 after 3-4 limpers so I am viewed as a tight player. Villain is the only loose player relative to this table and has called a $100 shove against a tight player holding KQo and another time he called a big raise with KQ again OOP so he def overvalues big paint cards. Now my concern here is given that my odds of hitting the nut straight are about 5 to 1 and the pot is only laying me 4.2 to 1 after villain shoves could you possibly make the call here being so close to the break even point or would you just fold since you are technically not getting the right price to call?
 
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Limp heavy, but tight? Interesting. :)

Well, I guess this demonstrates why if you bet in a spot like this, you better know what you're doing if you're shoved on ahead of time. :)

You can't bet/fold here. You have more than just the straight as outs if you are behind. You probably have at least 2 extra outs in Q's.
 
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With Q10o after a float from villain I would be inclined to check back this turn and check/call on river. What are you really beating here with Q10o? Q9?
 
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Check back that turn.

This is kind of a spewy move. You are throwing money into the pot without a good read or reason. x/r on the turn - usually a bad sign at these stakes.

Check back the turn and you can call a bet on the river. The board is relatively dry, he won't have much most of the time he bets that river. And if it is checked to you AGAIN on the river you can bet/fold to a raise (depending on the card).

Live 200nl (1/2) is a game about getting value. When that K hits, you need to chill out and not over invest.
 
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Check turn, especially with such small effective stack sizes.

It's not that the King improved villain's hand (it may have, but not necessarily). It's that when villain calls the flop bet you should be reconsidering the strength of your hand, and the turn actually gives you "outs." By betting the turn on this board, you essentially turn your hand into a bluff since almost nothing worse is going to call you.

If you miss the river, you can probably just fold to most bet sizings.
 
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I have won a couple of pots pre-flop prior to this one by opening in position for $15 after 3-4 limpers so I am viewed as a tight player.
You raised a couple of hands where there had been 3-4 limpers and they folded? It seems like at least somewhat of a leap to assume that the rest of the table now sees you as tight.

Image is what they actually think of you, not what you think they should. How much evidence did you have that any of them had a tight image of you, or any image at all?
 
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You raised a couple of hands where there had been 3-4 limpers and they folded? It seems like at least somewhat of a leap to assume that the rest of the table now sees you as tight.

Image is what they actually think of you, not what you think they should. How much evidence did you have that any of them had a tight image of you, or any image at all?

Very much this.

I know a lot of times when I play live people think I am playing a loose game. I hear them grumble as they fold to me, and I know they are just waiting for "the right hand" to make me pay. The problem is sometimes people confuse aggression and looseness. So you can play a tight aggressive game and be treated as loose.

Last night I had a guy say to the gal next to him "I guess this guy just thinks we're going to lay down to bets all night," as he folded.

So while they are folding to my bets, they do not respect my bets. Thus, my image is loose even when I am getting folds.

I don't mind it, because they hand me their money most nights.
 
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Like most of other said, check back the turn and maybe calling bett on river if you hit your straight, unless hard call in that spot, calling his shove is not that impossible because even if you are behing you have some outs and if you fold you would lose about 1/2 of your stack in that hand.
 
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in my opinion he flopped a straight draw, called your 3/4 raise, and reraised allin with his straight on the the turn. my guess is he had A10 or 910 since he was a loose player.
 
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as others have previously stated check turn

also you do realize the live isn't online, you don't have to open every button lol

I'm not saying it was bad to open with QT but when you flop one pair and in EP limper shows incredible interest in the hand its time to ask yourself if your really ever good in that spot
 
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