$200 NLHE Full Ring: QQ tough decision

$200 NL HE Full Ring: QQ tough decision

I was playing at the casino when I ran into a very difficult hand. Not sure if I over thought it or took a bad line.

I had very little read on the villain as I didnt get to see much hands with him involved.

On to the hand: Hero ($850) SB

Villain is in middle position with about $500 in front of him. He limps as do several players (for $2), which is not suprising at these tables. I'm in the small blind with QQ. I raise to $20 dollars, BB calls and villain calls. Flop comes J85r. I check (going for c/r) BB bets out $45, villain calls, and I reraise to $145. BB agonizes and folds, villain calls. Turn comes 7. I check and villain bets out $100 (with about $200 behind him still). What should I be doing in this position? Calling and hope for a A,K free river and shoving? Pushing on turn or folding on turn?

With out any reads/stats/info on villain this is almost impossible to analyse imo, but here goes any way.

I dont like the c/r on the flop because i hate stacking with a overpair 250BB deep.
I much rather just cbet this flop, bet the turn, and either bet the river for value or check/call depending on the texture of the board, and if villain raises any street we could just let it go.

Tell me what was your thinking when you c/r the flop? Did u intend to call a shove on the flop if he re-raised you all-in?
You really have to have a plan for how you are going to play the hand before you make any action imo.
Why did you check the turn? Have u been c/r bluffing alot so u think villain is gonna bet the turn with air or where u afraid you where behind because he called the c/r? In witch case the c/r is obvs bad since then your basicly turning QQ into a bluff.


As played where in nasty spot, villain is leading 100$ into 395$ with 200$ behind and our precived range is probably only complete air and monsters(sets and overpairs).
I call here and c/c any river, shoving here folds out all his bluffs and alot of his Jx hands, there isnt alot of draws on the board and one of the two plausable draws he could be on allready got there(98).
If where ahead villain has 3-6 outs if where behind where probably drawing dead or have 2 outs so i want to keep in his weak hands and we might even get a free showdown at the river.

My thinking with the c/r was to represent the strength of my hand in that situation, which worked beautifully on the BB who instantly put me on a set. Once the villian called it, I checked the turn to try and get to a cheaper showdown.

Looking back now, I feel I shouldve maybe put in some sort of bet and if reraised I'd fold most likely. I was worried about possible sets which seemed the most plausible, as KK or AA probably reraises pf.

Check Raising loses value out of your hand. Sure it might get an opponent to stab, but it will fold out a lot of hands that will call flop and turn bets and also inflates the pot for the times you are against a set.

As played this is an easy call particularly at low stakes. Most 1/2 players are bad enough to call c/rs with just top pair and will certainly bet this if you check the turn

this might just be my paranoid mind but what about a 10,9 suited hand for the villain i know i like to play similar to the villian with this holding

I'm also not a huge fan of the flop C/R. I think you're way better off keeping the pot fairly small with just an overpair and deep stacks like this.

As played, I probably call the turn. Villain makes this play with any J, and AJ, KJ, and QJ, and JT (most likely one) are all solid possibilities. A $100 position bet where I'm getting 4-1 on a non-scary board is not somewhere I'm looking to fold this hand.

Ya, after reading all the replies, its pretty obvious that I played the flop pretty bad. Thanks for all the replies I definitely them all very helpful

drunk post: goo all in

I personally don't see anything wrong with stacking off here on the presumption that villain is a huge fish because he has just limp called a 10x BB raise and is afterall a live player.

We have a stack to pot ratio of 8 against what we shall presume is a huge fish. Were taking any jack to value town all day here.

I think the checkraise is getting a little too tricky and I prefer just bet/bet/bet but I disagree that we should be going for pot control.