€200 NLHE Full Ring: QQ against good Aggro

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Yesterday I had an interesting hand which I need some feedbacks on.
Played in a Casino live €2/€2 NLHE Full ring 10 handed. Villain is a good aggro reg. I started the hand with effective stack of roughly ~€450, and he got me covered.

Pre:
Hero looks up Q♦Q♥ from UTG+2 raises to 12, 2 callers behind and SB (villain) raises to 72, Hero calls, and everyone else folds

Flop: 2♣ 3♥ 5♠ (Heads up, Pot ~170)
SB bets 172, Herocalls after thinking for a while

Turn: 4♦ (Heads up, Pot ~514)
SB snap shoves, Hero snap folds with ~200 behind

What could I have done better here?

Preflop I thought I could have had a better hand, since I know this villain can have AJ, AQ suited in his range, but I didn't want to risk that much of stack having position.


On the Flop, it seems a perfect flop indeed for him to c-bet with those Ax hands, hence my call again. (But of course he could have had me crushed already with KK or AA)
Turn is however a very bad card (could actually also be a good card for me to get away?), in which I'm beating almost nothing anymore.


I was thinking however, if I should have made a raise fold Preflop, or maybe raise-all in flop to deny him equity with Ax hands? Or is that a suicidal move.


Another thought was, had the turn been an offsuit blank and he went all in, can I call there?


Comments are appreciated, thanks!
 
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I would go all in on the flop here. There was 170 in the pot and only 380 left behind, and you were way ahead of his 3-betting range. The only hand, that possibly connected strong with the flop, was A4s, and of course you are still behind to AA or KK. But those 3 hands are such a small part of his range, that its time to just close your eyes, ship it in and ride the variance train.

I dont like just calling, because it leave so little money behind, that you can never fold later on a blank card. So why not just get it in and force him to call it off, if he is drawing? As he will be here a huge chunk of the time in my opinion. Because why would he bet so large for value, when there are still 2 more streets to come? His sizing only makes sense, if he want you to fold.

As played this is exactly the turn card, you did not want to see, and exactly why you should never just call the flop and put yourself in this gross situation, where you are getting a sick price to call, but at the same time, what do you even beat now. Probably not a lot, so given that you made the mistake on the flop, I dont hate folding the turn.
 
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Given that you played the flop the way you did, I think the turn is a clear fold.
 
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I would go all in on the flop here. There was 170 in the pot and only 380 left behind, and you were way ahead of his 3-betting range. The only hand, that possibly connected strong with the flop, was A4s, and of course you are still behind to AA or KK. But those 3 hands are such a small part of his range, that its time to just close your eyes, ship it in and ride the variance train.

I dont like just calling, because it leave so little money behind, that you can never fold later on a blank card. So why not just get it in and force him to call it off, if he is drawing? As he will be here a huge chunk of the time in my opinion. Because why would he bet so large for value, when there are still 2 more streets to come? His sizing only makes sense, if he want you to fold.

As played this is exactly the turn card, you did not want to see, and exactly why you should never just call the flop and put yourself in this gross situation, where you are getting a sick price to call, but at the same time, what do you even beat now. Probably not a lot, so given that you made the mistake on the flop, I dont hate folding the turn.
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Thanks for the comment, this is an interesting yet great input for this hand!

I have a question however, when you say I should have gone all in on the flop, is there a merit for 4-bet shoving preflop then? Considering that if he had AA or KK we were behind all the time, and when the flop is actually somewhat a blank we should be shoving anyway
 
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I dont like 4-betting QQ pre in this situation. You opened from EP, and his 3-bet was already very large, so he is probably not making many mistakes against a 4-bet, and you kind of have to jam, which mean the risk-reward is poor.

The difference is, that when you just call pre, you keep weaker hands in his range and allow him to commit more money with those on the flop. So his range for calling a jam on the flop is much wider than his range for calling a preflop 4-bet.

If for instance he has JJ or AQ, he is probably going to snap fold to a 4-bet. But if he put in this much money on the flop, he will feel, that he is priced in and has to call it off.
 
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jms said:
Yesterday I had an interesting hand which I need some feedbacks on.
Played in a Casino live €2/€2 NLHE Full ring 10 handed. Villain is a good aggro reg. I started the hand with effective stack of roughly ~€450, and he got me covered.

Pre:
Hero looks up Q♦Q♥ from UTG+2 raises to 12, 2 callers behind and SB (villain) raises to 72, Hero calls, and everyone else folds

Flop: 2♣ 3♥ 5♠ (Heads up, Pot ~170)
SB bets 172, Herocalls after thinking for a while

Turn: 4♦ (Heads up, Pot ~514)
SB snap shoves, Hero snap folds with ~200 behind

What could I have done better here?

Preflop I thought I could have had a better hand, since I know this villain can have AJ, AQ suited in his range, but I didn't want to risk that much of stack having position.


On the Flop, it seems a perfect flop indeed for him to c-bet with those Ax hands, hence my call again. (But of course he could have had me crushed already with KK or AA)
Turn is however a very bad card (could actually also be a good card for me to get away?), in which I'm beating almost nothing anymore.


I was thinking however, if I should have made a raise fold Preflop, or maybe raise-all in flop to deny him equity with Ax hands? Or is that a suicidal move.


Another thought was, had the turn been an offsuit blank and he went all in, can I call there?


Comments are appreciated, thanks!
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Thank you for posting.

We want to make notes on players that are very specific if we can.
Good Aggro is a start but is this a standard raise from that good aggro?

Is this raise aimed at you specifically for instance.
Is four betting common?
Is the common reaction to four bets folds or calls?

Are you folding Axx flops if villain bets? Will villain bet Axx flop without an A?
Have you seen the villain use position to bluff often?

Has this villain made this bet sizing then folded pre?
Does this villain become tricky post flop or more straight forward?
How many times do you 4 bet bluff? Has the villain seen this?

Hope this helps
:):)
 
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