$200 NLHE Full Ring: Nut flush, paired board

Live game. Information I've picked up about Villain: He plays almost every pot (limps ATC a lot), seems to have a pretty wide preflop raising range but he doesn't showdown often so it is hard to say whether or not he's just on a good run, he puts money in postflop pretty frequently but really hasn't gotten caught bluffing at all. The table as a whole is pretty loose, and even a lot of raised pots are multiway.

Limped pot, 6 players, Villain in MP and has hero covered in chips, Hero is BB with Ac10c and $200.

Flop ($12): Kc 5d 2c
SB checks
Hero checks.
Villain bets $6.
Fold.
SB calls
Hero calls.

Turn ($30): 5c
Checks around.

River ($30): 8d
SB bets $16.
Hero raises to $40.
Villain re-raises to $140.
SB folds.

Thoughts? I'll post results soon. If you want to know the end result beforehand, just message me.

Well, I probably would have bet the turn.

As for the raise on the river....

It is a tough spot for sure.

hands he does this with are probably A-5, K-5, 2-2, or perhaps a smaller flush. 2-5, and 5-5 (very unlikely).

Edit: forgot about 5-8 and 8-8. The more I think about it, villain probably has a boat.

You are only ahead of a smaller flush and trips.

I would say it is more likely that you are beat, but maybe not.

I guess I would have to say fold. What were your instincts telling you? Were the alarm bells ringing? Did it feel wrong?

SPOILER ALERT

I called and he rolled 52o. I was so steamed and had to leave the table for a bit. I've been beating myself up over it. Everyone at the table said they would have snap-called, but I don't think calling was good in any regard. In hindsight, I don't think he raises with a smaller flush, trips, or worse. I put him on 88, but I couldn't find a fold in me.

Edit: Being card dead for almost 5 hours of the session probably had something to do with the call. Also, I thought that maybe there was a slight possibility he put SB on nothing, me on trips, and tried representing a flush.

Yeah that would steam me out too.

It is a lesson learned man. A tough one, but important nonetheless.


I have learned many times just like this, so don't feel bad or beat yourself up about it. It happens to everybody.

These fish will play cards you and I would never even dream of playing. They came to the casino to play poker, not to fold.

Take comfort in knowing that villain is most likely a huge losing player over the long term. The only way ATC fish win is if the deck smacks them in the face - and also deals someone else a cooler vs. them.


Brush off the beat. Positive thoughts man. I know it's tough, but if you want to be a poker player, gotta do it.

I am still in a bad mood also. So we are in similar spots.

The only positive thing to come out of that session is that I stayed off tilt the entire time despite getting stuck in one tough spot and bad beat after another.

Mr Sandbag said:

The only positive thing to come out of that session is that I stayed off tilt the entire time despite getting stuck in one tough spot and bad beat after another.

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I hear you man.

Don't sweat it, really.

It happens to everyone from time to time. Next time you find yourself in a similar spot, you are going to be very well prepared.

...and the winner ...is ....HERO(you),if Villain has 58 or 88 or 55,maybe 58s.And what he had??

dolchinkov said:

...and the winner ...is ....HERO(you),if Villain has 58 or 88 or 55,maybe 58s.And what he had??

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I posted the result above.

I don't think trips ever 3bets here, and worse flushes might not either. Plus it's a limped pot, so pretty much every FH combo except for KK is in his range here. It's close between a fold and a call, but I lean toward a fold, and if you think he might just call behind with weak flushes then just snap-fold.

Scourrge said:

I don't think trips ever 3bets here, and worse flushes might not either. Plus it's a limped pot, so pretty much every FH combo except for KK is in his range here. It's close between a fold and a call, but I lean toward a fold, and if you think he might just call behind with weak flushes then just snap-fold.

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Man you must play live with much better players than there are around me.

I see people pretty regularly raising on the river with stupid things. When they do this, the only hands that call them have them crushed, but they still do it anyways. People are really stupid on live tables. It is like they don't consider anything except their hand. They always think everyone is bluffing too.

I don't think no one is capable of raising the river with trips, but I DO think they'd be hesitant to let it check around on the turn. That's why I think a boat is more likely than trips - a boat isn't afraid of a 4-flush coming.

Scourrge said:

I don't think no one is capable of raising the river with trips, but I DO think they'd be hesitant to let it check around on the turn. That's why I think a boat is more likely than trips - a boat isn't afraid of a 4-flush coming.

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I agree. I was just saying I see some real dumb things going on at $1/$2.

Beanfacekilla said:

I agree. I was just saying I see some real dumb things going on at $1/$2.

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Case in point: today a guy to the right of me preflop raised to 16 on the button, I re-raised to 40 with QQ, a limper short stack shoved for 55 total, and the button snap calls with 76 "because it is his favorite hand." Same session; someone raised to 15ish UTG, got a caller (the 76 guy), they checked it down all the way, 76guy shows 10 high, preflop raiser mucks and says "seven deuce."

I'm not even shocked at what happens anymore. Sometimes you just can't account for crazy intangibles and superstitious tendencies.

could raise flop, would like a turn bet, river is a fold.

First, I don't understand your pre-flop play. Why let limpers free cards?
Then, if he called. You should have been more active and bet on the flop, a re-raise would have let you some info on where you stood.
Limping is not a good option, unless you have useless hand on BB.