$200 NLHE Full Ring: Non-Standard Line

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: Non-Standard Line

Villain is standard TAG reg, 13/11 probably 16-tabling:

1. If you're in villain's shoes, what does my range look like?
2. What hands do you like this line with? (if any at all)
3. How wide do you stack here if you're villain?

Full Tilt, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players

CO: $203 (101.5 bb)
BTN: $210.90 (105.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $407 (203.5 bb)
BB: $203.55 (101.8 bb)
UTG+1: $196 (98 bb)
UTG+2: $303.10 (151.6 bb)
MP1: $47.20 (23.6 bb)
MP2: $368.95 (184.5 bb)
MP3: $119.50 (59.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with [x x]
3 folds, MP2 raises to $7, 3 folds, Hero calls $6, BB folds

Flop: ($16) K
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A
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7
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(2 players)
Hero bets $11, MP2 calls $11

Turn: ($38) 7
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $24, Hero raises to $68
 
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If I'm the villain and I dont know much about you I am interpreting your donk bet as a naked ace or something like 88 or 99, or maybe even TT. You're flatting from the SB super deep so I really put you on a much wider range than my stats might tell me. I wouldn't find it impossible that you had a 7 playing something crazy like 57s.

I'll obviously stack with any set or boat, or two pair hands like AK or AQ. I'd get nervous in the "I have Ace Ten" neighborhood and probably not stack, but I'm a nit.
 
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PF: Your flat from SB looks like an OK hand that you plan on outplaying the TAG with post-flop. Perfect hand is A7s. I'm pretty sure you would not do this with AK, AQ, AA, or KK.

FLOP: Your 3/4-pot donk bet was intended to test to see if the villain has AK. He flats you and likely has AQ or AJ.

TURN: You have decided to check-raise either because you have decided he doesn't have AK/A7 and you can out play him OR you have A7 and you want to extract more $$$.
 
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1. If you're in villain's shoes, what does my range look like?
Assuming I'm villain, and you are Zach Nitty McNittypants, then I'd put your range as:

[Qs][Js], [Js][10s], [Qs][10s], maybe [Ks][Qs], AK, 77, 67s, 78s, 57s, 97s and hands that are essentially air like JT, QJ, 22. I can't decide how much air is in your range either. Since a 13/11 is pretty nitty, and 16 tabling, they probably would just dump all the marginal holdings like AJ/AQ here. However, the flop generally whiffs your range and smacks his in the face, so in that sense it'd be a pretty bad flop to bluff.

2. What hands do you like this line with? (if any at all)
I like this line with any 7, AK, and all your draws. Most of his hands up to say, AK won't 3-bet the turn. So even when we check/raise our draws like this, we'll usually get to see the river if they don't fold.

3. How wide do you stack here if you're villain?
Like, it just depends how much air is in your range. There's probably a decent amount of it as well. Most of your flatting range from the blinds consists of implied odds hands, with some AK/AQ/JJ thrown in. And given that range except for AK doesn't hit this flop all that hard (and I'm not sure if you'd donk the flop with 7x, besides a set), I'd probably go ahead and call you down with AQ/AJ if the river isn't a spade/T/J/Q. Its just hard for you to have a 7, since there's 2 out there, so AK & draws are the main hands you're representing.
 
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Well, if I'm villain I put you squarely on any two cards and stack 55 here, but that's because there's too much leveling going on between us. :D

As a standard villain, I probably see you do this with monsters and flush draws. I doubt you flat KK preflop, but I wouldn't hate flatting AK or AA preflop, and of course a few suited 7x hands complete the monster part.

I'd need to know your donking flop stats to decide if there's any flush draws in your range, tbh. Because if you're donking this flop with two spades that are obviously neither A or 7, it should really show up as a high donk%.

Since I can't see a lot of flush draws in your range, it makes it incredibly strong, and then I think again. Could you be doing this with any AXs ? It's certainly in your preflop range. And on turn, it splits with any other AX hand other than AK/A7 and you might decide to turn it into a semi-bluff. But that doesn't really help me make the call with AQ if my best hope against your range is to split and you can still make one big bet on river.

So I probably end up folding AQ- and calling AK+, which is a tiny calling range, tbh. I need a solid read that you're aggro enough to do this with air, and then my calling range would go down to A2o obviously.
 
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ok well I kinda made up the fact that this guy was a solid reg. In reality it happened against a crazy aggro maniac and I took this line as a bluff. After the play though I just got to thinking how it would look against someone who actually thought about hands and stuff. Thanks for the responses.
 
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