$200 NLHE Full Ring: NLHE Full Ring: $1-2 NL; JJ vs all in

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JJ - Hero BB($150) opens preflop for $12
Cut off calls, SB calls($370)

Flop: Qh Js 4c

Hero raises $15, cutoff folds, SB 3bets to $40, I call.

Turn: 9s

I check, SB pops it to 45, I call.

River: 2d

I check, SB puts me all in for like $60 more.


Q: what would be the most logical play here? This was my first hand with this guy who seemed loose agressive. Is folding here a tight play? Or calling here is the right play
 
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I would call.

Why would you call turn if you planned on folding to the biggest blank in the deck on the river?
 
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Bet more on the flop, say 20-24. If SB still makes a C/R, you can re-pop. If he has a hand, it's probably QJ or 44 given he limp-called pre-, neither of which he's folding. If he's on a draw, it's probably KT, so make him pay if he wants to draw.
 
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7 hands later

True, your right iplay. I figured he might have been open ended post flop, then got there on the turn. I ended up calling which doubled me up, he had like ace rag something like that, complete air. The guy got sooo steamy afterwards.


Then like 7 hands later I played another pot with the same guy,

$1-2nl cash game

Hero UTG($330) calls $2, 4h 6h

Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 8d 6s 4s

I open for $10, button 3bets to $35 (same dude)
Folded around to me which I call.

Turn: Jc (pot $90)

I check, he raises to $50, I 3bet here to $120, he tanks for a little bit then reshoves $220. I put him on a flush draw, possible straight, if it is a straight I guess I'm paying that off right? I also think he is steaming since I stuck him earlier. So I decide to call. Was this pretty standard? Should have I played it any differently? I'm thinking pot control but how when you have someone raising like this.. How do you combat loose agressive play, just keep calling and let them hang themselves right? At least that's how I see it.

This happened to me yesterday at a live game, south Florida coconut creek casino
 
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Checking the turn is just madness here. Any K,10,8 or spade and were basically folding to any river bet. Be thinking 1 street ahead, why call the turn is the 2d scares you so much?
 
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Checking calling the turn is just madness here. Any K,10,8 or spade and were basically folding to any river bet. Be thinking 1 street ahead, why call the turn is the 2d scares you so much?
 
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Arjonius that's an excellent theory. Thanks.
 
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it is easy and very quick call
I think he or AQ or KK )
 
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I should've reraise post flop as ajornius pointed out but I wanted to extract the most value for my set here so I just flat called and 4betting post flop would've shown a lot of strength. I'm a 3 to 1 favorite against k10, unlikely he gets there and I don't think a reraise on his end is in line there w/k10. A call would have been more believable. Qj or 44 is more in line with his betting pattern. Once the 9 peeled off on the turn, it definitely scared the heebie jeebies out of me. Lol. Hence the check/call then call on the river.. The 2 didn't scare me at all it was that damn turn! But as iplay pointed out, why call turn to fold river... Would an all in bet on the turn be a better play? Since your definitely not letting go for extra $60 on the river.. Or calling turn to induce a bluff bet on the river from the loose aggressive player. I think betting $24 post flop in a pot of about $32 would've killed all the action.. Hence half pot size bet..
 
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I should've reraise post flop as ajornius pointed out but I wanted to extract the most value for my set here so I just flat called and 4betting post flop would've shown a lot of strength.
It's not uncommon when you flop big to be in a situation where you have to decide how much value you're going to try to get, and from how much of the opponent's range. Trying to get some value from the weaker part of his range can mean you get less from the stronger part. Keeping weaker hands in also exposes you to more drawouts.

This doesn't mean playing so as to keep more of his range in is automatically wrong, but rather that there are pros and cons to weigh.
 
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