$200 NLHE Full Ring: NL $1-2 Live Mohegan Sun...AA flop line!?!

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: NL $1-2 Live Mohegan Sun...AA flop line!?!

A little knowledge..I had been at the table for a little over an hour, bought in for $200 and was +$140. Villain has me covered by atleast double.
UTG (Villain) straddles to 4, UTG+1 limps, UTG+2 limps,2 folds,HJ limps, HERO in CO raises to 16 w/AhAc. Button calls 16, SB calls 16, BB folds Villain calls 16,2 folds. HJ calls 16.
Pot:$86
Flop:5s6s5c
3 checks, Hero makes it 30. Button folds. SB folds. Villain c/r to $75,HJ folds....HERO!??!?!

What is your line here...Villain has me covered and I have a little less than $300 left and the pot is $190. Results to come after some feedback.
 
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Any reads on Villain? Readless, I'm going to credit the c/r and fold. Unless I'm confident he'll c/r overpairs and draws, which I don't see a lot at $200nl live games, he's flopped at least trips.

Why the smalll pfr? Pot is $19 when it gets to you, I'm raising to at least $30 (probably more, since it's a live game - I like $45-$50)?
 
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Don't like folding here ever. Plenty of draws on that board and since he straddled he could have anything (no one ever folds their straddle) so he probably using that fact to rep the 5. FD/SD way more likely than trips imo. As far as what to do to get the most $$ from the hand, depends on villain. Is he likely to fire the turn into you if you just call? That's my likely line, call, look to get it in on the turn (sucks if turn is spade but w/e).

Also agree with slycbnew, raise more preflop, a lot more (~$40). Makes every decision postflop easier.
 
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Looks like he has a 5 here a lot.

His in the straddle and he really could have anything PF. Plus his c/r looks like a please call me raise, instead of a semi-bluff. He'd have to expect you to look him up with a lot of hands if his semi bluffing $45 more.

You haven't defined your hand at all in this hand. You need to raise to $30+ PF. This works in your advantage also since your late position, generally a bigger bet will get you more calls anyways because noone gives credit to a big PF raise on a straddle hand.

Also your flop bet into so many opponents doesn't define your hand either. A $30 bet could just be c-betting AK, or worse... The straddle could be c/r you with a wider range then just a 5 in this case.

Anyways, as played unless you have significant reads on opponent, I wouldn't fold the flop just yet. I'd smooth call his flop bet, and re-evaluate on the turn. If he barrels on a big overcard on the turn like a King, or Queen, i'd probably lay down the AA. Also a spade barrel would probably end the hand for AA as well....
 
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Unless i know the players as a reg at my casino im never laying this down too that raise. One raise alot more preflop, its straddled with a few callers before you. Im making somewhere around $40, you now have a big multiway pot that could get you in alot of trouble.

In general people who play live poker, alot of the non regs have a terrible preflop game, most can play postflop but dont get too tricky. In the hour of play was villain tight preflop? had he shown down any gargbage hands?

Villains range 6x, 77-99, 76o, 89o, any two spades, or air MOST of the time. Occasionally he will show up with 66, 5x and 55 (almost never he wouldnt raise this flop with 55 ). The size of that raise seems like a feeler bet.

This is all read dependant, i like raising here too $175 though probarbly calling a shove. Most people live dont mind shoving with two overcards and 4 too a flush.
 
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Unless i know the players as a reg at my casino im never laying this down too that raise. One raise alot more preflop, its straddled with a few callers before you. Im making somewhere around $40, you now have a big multiway pot that could get you in alot of trouble.

In general people who play live poker, alot of the non regs have a terrible preflop game, most can play postflop but dont get too tricky. In the hour of play was villain tight preflop? had he shown down any gargbage hands?

Villains range 6x, 77-99, 76o, 89o, any two spades, or air MOST of the time. Occasionally he will show up with 66, 5x and 55 (almost never he wouldnt raise this flop with 55 ). The size of that raise seems like a feeler bet.

This is all read dependant, i like raising here too $175 though probarbly calling a shove. Most people live dont mind shoving with two overcards and 4 too a flush.


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Where I play at if he is even a semi half decent regular, he'd most likely never stack off against a re-raise from aces without the goods. I'm going to assume his check-raising range is something like all 5x, some flush/straight draws, some 6x, 77-JJ. Again, i'm assuming he doesn't have QQ or KK because both those hands would make a decent 3-bet PF.

So another bet put in by AA here would probably fold out a 6, some of his pocket pairs and would get snapped up by 5x, and race against a FD.

Generally a re-raise from AA here would only get called/shoved on by better, sometimes a big draw, but not a lot.

But yea, if his a total hack, then his range could be a lot wider and theres no way to fold to his raise anyways. Very "read" dependent.
 
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Thanks for the responses. I don't think villain would c/r a 5 with the size of the pot. He is a decent player and I had no read on him. I wanted to just call, but I ended up shoving and he folded. The read I had on the hand is that in a hand before in which I played with him I raised pre and c-bet succesfully on him. So he could of had a decent enough hand to c/r but fold to a shove. This could be spades, but why c/r on a paired flop!? Oh well, I won a pretty decent pot without going to showdown with the hand I get felted with the most.
 
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Thanks for the responses. I don't think villain would c/r a 5 with the size of the pot. He is a decent player and I had no read on him. I wanted to just call, but I ended up shoving and he folded. The read I had on the hand is that in a hand before in which I played with him I raised pre and c-bet succesfully on him. So he could of had a decent enough hand to c/r but fold to a shove. This could be spades, but why c/r on a paired flop!? Oh well, I won a pretty decent pot without going to showdown with the hand I get felted with the most.

still like stated before your pfr should ve been bigger.. but nice pot anyways in the end..guess that exclues the 5x in his range :)
 
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I had just raised the hand before and a friend had just walked to the table and I had been chatting with him, so the small raise is almost trying to warrant a re-raise either by the strong player on my immediate right or Villain in the straddle. My intentions we're to play for a big pot and although I only won $150 with the AA, Im very happy on my play on the flop.
 
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