$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live post flop decision vs unknown fish

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9 handed 1-2 live cash game. Table is extremely fishy a lot of limping in general and very generally aggressive and preflop raises were to 10 as a standard. Very loose game as well in general. Utg:fold
Utg +1:fold
MP 1,2,3: fold
Lojack: call (100 dollars)(pot 5)
Hijack: fold
Cutoff: Call (85 dollars) (pot 7)
Hero Btn (150 dollars effective): 8s8h raise to 10 (pot 17)
Sb: fold
Bb: fold
Lojack: fold
Cutoff: call slight tank (pot 27)
Flop: 9h4h2h
Cutoff: Bet 25 dollars
Hero:????????
 
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I'd say it's a clear fold. Live there's a ton of limpers like you say so it's reasonable to say Cutoff hit a set OR possibly is betting out their 4 to a flush draw (in which you're beat because it's likely their heart draw is higher than your 8 and if the turn peels off a heart and they shove then you're stuck )

Also unrelated somewhat but why so many tiny stacks at 1/2 live?
 
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Super fishy underground game no rake 100 dollar buy in general
 
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I agree can't find value in call fold or shove imo
 
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Meant fold or shove seems only option
 
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The donk bet rarely means strength. You raised preflop so the natural tendency is to check to the preflop raiser but he bets out despite the fact that you could easily have an overpair or even a set. If he had a flush he'd usually just check knowing that as the preflop aggressor you'd be likely to c-bet and he could checkraise. This is almost certainly a flush draw but he might also bet out with top pair or even a set for protection. So you should call and see what happens next. A flush will alway bet again but you're call might freeze anything less. Don't call another bet and never raise unless you improve.
 
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Pretty villain dependent, folding vs most and expecting them to have 9x, but could see possibly A2-A5/33/55/66/77 ftom some villains, in that case id call and fold to turn aggression.
 
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In cash game with hand like this, I will going all in.
 
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The donk bet rarely means strength. You raised preflop so the natural tendency is to check to the preflop raiser but he bets out despite the fact that you could easily have an overpair or even a set. If he had a flush he'd usually just check knowing that as the preflop aggressor you'd be likely to c-bet and he could checkraise. This is almost certainly a flush draw but he might also bet out with top pair or even a set for protection. So you should call and see what happens next. A flush will alway bet again but you're call might freeze anything less. Don't call another bet and never raise unless you improve.



My rationale like your was that this is just so often a flush draw and rarely even the best flush draw. I agree it could be sets but seems unlikely yet possible. I thought it was way more likely we were looking at either one pair of 9s or a decent to nut flush draw. I opted to shove for this reason in hopes of folding our hands with decent equity such as KsQh or some combos like that. I just feel like if I call then if a heart comes he checks turn then jams river I'm in a rough spot. Even if no heart comes i feel like I can't call turn aggression If he barrels with a one heart hand again making me just fold so often on the call.
 
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I'd say it's a clear fold. Live there's a ton of limpers like you say so it's reasonable to say Cutoff hit a set OR possibly is betting out their 4 to a flush draw (in which you're beat because it's likely their heart draw is higher than your 8 and if the turn peels off a heart and they shove then you're stuck )

Also unrelated somewhat but why so many tiny stacks at 1/2 live?



I agree with this fold probably the best in a game with large edge but villain had a propensity to donk bet with a wide range. Also seems relatively out of line in some regards.
 
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The line this guy takes makes no sense. Only an idiot would bet the pot with a made flush on the flop. I would just put him all in for his remaining 60 and when he snap folds flip up your 88s and drop the mic.
 
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