$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live multiway bluff turned trips

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Grubbie

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Hero is button with $220, image is Rock
SB is lag with 200
MP2 is loose passive with $88

Hero :as4: :5d4:

EP1 MP2 CO limp
Hero limps
SB raises to $8
EP1 folds 4 players call

POT $40
Flop
:5s4: :6s4: :10d4:
4 players check

Hero bets $25
SB EP1 fold
Mp calls
CO folds

Pot $90
Turn :5c4:
MP2 checks
Hero bets $35
MP2 calls

Pot $160

River :js4:
MP2 checks
Hero bets all in $20
MP2 calls

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On the flop I have a pair, overcard, blocker to nut flush draw, backdoor flush draw. Feel good about bluffing with this holding. Against a shorter stack I feel committed when I turn trips.
 
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The ONLY thing I would change here is your bet on the turn, the flush draw was already on the board and $90 in the pot you gotta shove there, get max value when they miss their flush as they WON'T call you on the river if they already missed their flush.
 
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How's limp/calling with trash working out for you?

When you butcher preflop so badly, the rest of the hand doesn't matter.

Whenever I see a player limp/call like this with a trash hand, they get a one word note: "fish"
 
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Thank you for your insight.
Sorry to be tough, but poker is mostly about playing better starting hands than your opponents, and getting in big pots with those good starters.

Play better hands than your opponent, and invest in them aggressively when you get them. That’s Poker 101.
 
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I completely disagree with you, it depends on how your opponents are playing, your position, and the stacks behind. A lot of times when playing live you will have opponents who play "too" tight(TT+, AT+, KJS+, KTo+, QJ) and you will figure that out pretty quickly playing live. Those types of players basically refuse laying down top pair or an over pair and will often fold to most continuation bets if they miss their hand, however I would not be playing these hands against them UNLESS they were at least stacking 75BBs because your make your money by doubling up on them, not the big/small pots down the road. So in the case of OP, I would agree that he was wrong to play these cards as you should want to play tighter against loose players, looser against tight players and the stacks behind weren't the right value for this to be a +EV move.
 
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Go to poker tracker and look at your win rates for each hand. QQ+, AK make up the vast majority of your winnings if you have a decent sample of hands. Everything else is just camouflage, and picking up some blinds here and there.

And at 2NL, no one is paying attention. It’s really hard to play too tight. You might be missing picking up a dollar or two here or there, but for a new player, just be a 12/12 TAG and stack chips.

Edit - Found the link I was looking for. Notice how top heavy the EV chart is. It’s a limit chart IIRC, but you get the idea.


https://www.tightpoker.com/poker_hands.html
 
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... is everyone laying down trashy Ax when getting 6/1 odds? With the button? In a weak game?

Generally I love having a range advantage against any players. Against weak players, the position advantage is bigger, so I toss chips in to see a $15 pot for$2 and then a $40 pot for$6.


If we do flop top pair multi way, it's easy to ditch it to any significant action.
 
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I would disagree with position being a bigger advantage than range in this game. If it were, why are you limping pre? Raise and use the positional advantage right? You probably don't because you know your getting 5 callers with a garbage hand. Playing a better range becomes your bigger advantage I think.


On the flop, you "feel good about bluffing". In a stronger game, I am good with your reasoning (if you took the lead pre flop). In this game, forget about bluffing imo and just take the free turn card. You can't bluff weak, passive players.


On the turn, you get the best card you can hope for, but that flush draw is still out there. As played, I think you need to get MP all in here. 1/3 pot is not big enough here.


My thoughts anyway.
 
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