$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live KQs Button vs Crazy Blinds

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So I decided to go to the Casino Tonight....I sat down with $100 (I know either max or min, but not between)....Anyways after 6 hours I was up $150....So this is the Hand In question....I said the blinds were crazy because these 2 were constantly raising (IN THE DARK/blind).....It was either Raising Blinds (Dark+Call Dark).....From the Blinds or any position Dark...Really crazy but they both had the funds to do so...They each had about $600+....So I'm on the button....and Everyone limps (But Before that), before the Dealer Dealt the BB was like "I'm gonna raise $15 in the dark...SB was like I call in the Dark....UTG is just a calling station constantly (She had about 400+ after she hit Quad 6s after calling a Raised+RR pot with 96s...)....UTG+1 is a Drunk Arab and is in Every pot.....So they both called $15 in the Dark... The other guys in between folds, Comes to me...I said to myself they all called Dark so there hands can't really be all this strong (The 1st 2 players), and the BB and SB well there either Friends or there really just crazy ....So I decided to Raise....So I said 15+30...$45 Total (Sry Don't know how to do the Live HH)....SB is like I call in the Dark, BB is Like Well I got odds to call in the Dark....UTG&UTG1 look and fold there hands.....

So now it's 15x5= 75+30x3=90 so we have a total of $165... I have back $205...

Flop came Qh+3s+6s, I have the KQs.....SB Checks BB bets $25 I have $205 what do we do? Also we have the SB to worry about also (Not really worry but I mean With the Call dark that they both did, I don't know what to do)....

What I did was Raise I raise cuz this BB was always On that Raising constantly so I mean I can't figure him for a real hand+He calls Dark (Not the Tony G dark I was Observing him and the SB)....So I Raised FLD+TP2nd Kicker.....So I raised to $75 So the pot now is 165+25+75=$265, and we have back $205-$75-$130....SB Tanks for ever and then Shoves A.I BB tanks for ever and folds....

So the Pot is now 265+75(From the SB) and then also the $130 I Had back if we call...$430, this is Assuming we call...

What do we do? Do we fold our TP2k+FLD to this Mad Man? What hand could he reallistically wake up with in the SB to flat a Raise pre flop in the Dark+RRR in the Dark and to shove on that flop:confused: ?
 
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i'd just shove pre, as played, call.
 
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You call. Your bet looks like a CB to him. Maybe he flopped a monster, maybe he didn't. He could have any pair, any draw, even a stone bluff. This is the best flop you could reasonably hope for and there are just too many hands in his range to fold a hand this strong. What were you hoping would happen when you intentionally got involved in a hand you knew you'd have to fight for? If he flopped a set or 2 pair, you have to pay off. Them's the breaks. That's the thing about low stakes live, it can be very profitable but also very swingy.
 
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You call. Your bet looks like a CB to him. Maybe he flopped a monster, maybe he didn't. He could have any pair, any draw, even a stone bluff. This is the best flop you could reasonably hope for and there are just too many hands in his range to fold a hand this strong. What were you hoping would happen when you intentionally got involved in a hand you knew you'd have to fight for? If he flopped a set or 2 pair, you have to pay off. Them's the breaks. That's the thing about low stakes live, it can be very profitable but also very swingy.

Truth be told my intention for the hand was to only get the Original Raiser involved with it....But when the SB comes along Changes Nothing for me as it's only adding more money in the pot, but then when it Goes Check by the SB Raise by the BB and RR by me, and then Tank and then Shove by the SB, Fold by the BB back to me....Kinda ****s with you abit..I mean if they had a really strong hand preflop then would'nt you look at your cards sense your calling $30 more on top....It is what it Is but...It was an odd spot....Your also correct in saying very Swingy
 
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Errrr we snap the flop.

Regardless of what the blinds say they will do, it souldnt stop you raising pre yourself. Worst case senario is that the blinds decide to flat. From your HH I'm assuming that you have limp raised the button. Blinds range is naked Q-x, sets, and two pair hands, and some crazy bluffs.
 
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Why call the flop? Shouldn't we be looking to get it in?
 
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+1 on the shove pre. and yeah snap here
 
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Errrr we snap the flop.

Regardless of what the blinds say they will do, it souldnt stop you raising pre yourself. Worst case senario is that the blinds decide to flat. From your HH I'm assuming that you have limp raised the button. Blinds range is naked Q-x, sets, and two pair hands, and some crazy bluffs.


I do apologize your right T, that's what Happened, I knew I was messing something up....UTG+UT1+I all limped, SB was like who all looked at there hands.....UTG+UTG1 was like it's only $2 no need to look, I didn't say anything, but since I was middle they all saw me look, SB was like I call Dark, BB was like well in that Case I raise Dark, UTG+UTG1 $15 Total, UTG+UTG1 was all like Ok we call Dark...I had KQs Raised $45 Total, SB was like I still call Dark, then BB was like Well I have odds to also Call Dark, that's when UTG+UTG2 looked at there hands and was What am I doing wasting $15 on this....And they folded then that flop came...SB checks BB donk bets out, I RR...SB Puffs huffs, and was Like I'm ALL IN....I was like Your ****ing Kidding me, BB folds and was like Enjoy....


Sry T.B was late when I posted it, but that's how it all happend:eek:

Your right I did Snap it in a heart beat......If you all wanted to know I just wanted to know what the Hands that do this move are? Also do ppl really call $45 pre flop without looking at there cards? If so how the hell do you play against a player such as this....I mean I could've had KK in the same spot and SB would've looked like a Moron, but the Truth be told they showed no Respect to my Hand ranges at all, and it wasn't like I was playing Loose or Anything at all:eek:
 
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+1 on the shove pre. and yeah snap here

KQs=Shove Pre with a Raise $15 (Mind you it's dark)+2 callers in the Dark also? I mean I could've done the same move but I don't know about shoving $250 to win a $49 I don't know about it...

It was 49 because it was BB Raised to $15+UTG Call+UTG1 cal=45+SB's $2+my$2=$49 so I shove $250 to win $49??? Does that make sense?

Would it not look more like a Steal then anything else had I done this rather then played it the other way I Choose?
 
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Why call the flop? Shouldn't we be looking to get it in?


Your right I didn't call the flop I got it in on the flop, that's why I RR bb's Raise on the Flop, but then the SB did that Dirty Trick by shoving me all in....Which I really wasn't hoping for but I did manage to get up the Courage to call if you all want to know....I wont say his hand, but I mean it just makes no Sense
 
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shove pre because you have a premium hand vs. 3 random hands and $49 dead money in the pot. Given the nature of these players you can certainly get called by worse, even blind.

With a pot-size bet left vs. a bunch of donks do you really think you can do anything but get it in and be really happy about it? You should be getting it in on any board that gives you top pair, a flush draw, T9x, JTx as well.

alternatively, raise to $60 and shove any flop.
 
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shove pre because you have a premium hand vs. 3 random hands and $49 dead money in the pot. Given the nature of these players you can certainly get called by worse, even blind.

With a pot-size bet left vs. a bunch of donks do you really think you can do anything but get it in and be really happy about it? You should be getting it in on any board that gives you top pair, a flush draw, T9x, JTx as well.

alternatively, raise to $60 and shove any flop.


Ya your right I should've raised More pre, and then still stack on that flop...Irregardless I mean It's going in on that flop....So the question I'm really curious about is, Would it be possible to Get away from it all-together, I mean rather then Limp with KQs And then RR pre with it against Random Maniacs with alot of money, should I have just Mucked it all together in General?
 
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that's what u get in casinos. i've been playing live 2/3 and occasional 2/5 at Crown Casino here in Melbourne, Australia, and u see lots of crazy/drunk donks who sit down and do stuff in the dark.

to be honest, this is a perfect spot for u. i snap call here in a heartbeat, u're ahead 80% of the time and that's more than good enough for me.

it's a absolute crapshoot. the key to winning such players is 1) either u come in with 4-5 buy ins, and just wait for spots like this, sure u might get a horrific beat now and then, but once your hands start holding up and u get a good stack, it'll be like they're raining money on ya. 2) dont play at tables where these type of people are.
 
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I do apologize your right T, that's what Happened, I knew I was messing something up....UTG+UT1+I all limped, SB was like who all looked at there hands.....UTG+UTG1 was like it's only $2 no need to look, I didn't say anything, but since I was middle they all saw me look, SB was like I call Dark, BB was like well in that Case I raise Dark, UTG+UTG1 $15 Total, UTG+UTG1 was all like Ok we call Dark...I had KQs Raised $45 Total, SB was like I still call Dark, then BB was like Well I have odds to also Call Dark, that's when UTG+UTG2 looked at there hands and was What am I doing wasting $15 on this....And they folded then that flop came...SB checks BB donk bets out, I RR...SB Puffs huffs, and was Like I'm ALL IN....I was like Your ****ing Kidding me, BB folds and was like Enjoy....


Sry T.B was late when I posted it, but that's how it all happend:eek:

Your right I did Snap it in a heart beat......If you all wanted to know I just wanted to know what the Hands that do this move are? Also do ppl really call $45 pre flop without looking at there cards? If so how the hell do you play against a player such as this....I mean I could've had KK in the same spot and SB would've looked like a Moron, but the Truth be told they showed no Respect to my Hand ranges at all, and it wasn't like I was playing Loose or Anything at all:eek:

These types of players dont think about your range so dont think that they think about what you have. It does not cross their mind very often.

In this situation you have to play the odds that your KQ is the best hand dealt.

that's what u get in casinos. i've been playing live 2/3 and occasional 2/5 at Crown Casino here in Melbourne, Australia, and u see lots of crazy/drunk donks who sit down and do stuff in the dark.

to be honest, this is a perfect spot for u. i snap call here in a heartbeat, u're ahead 80% of the time and that's more than good enough for me.

it's a absolute crapshoot. the key to winning such players is 1) either u come in with 4-5 buy ins, and just wait for spots like this, sure u might get a horrific beat now and then, but once your hands start holding up and u get a good stack, it'll be like they're raining money on ya. 2) dont play at tables where these type of people are.


Great advice. where was it 3 months ago when I started playing live :) Tons of crazy fish live. You just got to have a big enough boat to handle the waves.
 
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KQo is a 61% favorite against ATC. If these guys are really going in blind and with any two cards. I think you played it well and got a great flop. Yes there is a potential open ended straight draw and a flush draw on the board but we dont know what our opponent is playing and they probably just want to gamble. You have top pair with good kicker so go all in. You either get called and then have an idea where you are at or take down the pot immediately.
 
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