$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live KK facing raise and limp call

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This hand is from a live $1/$2 Cash game at Twin River Casino in Rhode Island. Stacks are about $200 EF.
With one UTG limper I raise to $10 on the CO with KK. The Button (a 50ish solid but ABC player who I've been chatting with for about an hour about the good ol' Stars and Tilt days) makes it $45. I've raised often from LP and I'm sure he's noticed this, still I'm sure he's not 3 betting with air. The UTG limper calls (yeah, he limps for $2 and calls $45). I'm usually raising here but in this case I'm afraid a 4 bet will be a little too strong and fold out hands I beat like TT-QQ and AK and allow me to maybe get away from the hand if an Ace comes on the flop, so I just call.



The flop comes Axx rainbow with no obvious draws, UTG checks and I check as does the button raiser.


The Turn is a Jack and I bet $50. Without too much thought the Button raises all-in. The UTG fish folds and it's about $150 to me. Call or Fold?
 
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What does the button have that justifies 1) the 45 raise and 2) shove with AJ on the table.
Some options where you have little chance: JJ, AJ, AA
Some other likely options that have left a straight draw: KQ(s), KT(s), and several more. In case the J is the fourth of the rainbow, no flush options, otherwise the worst of these would be a flush draw with up to 9 outs.
Sound like a fold, based on your information.
 
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Yeah, easy fold. Don't know why I even posted it. He didn't show but said he had Jacks. I believed him.
 
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Raise more preflop
Why bet the turn if you're afraid of the Ace? You just turned your KK into a bluff.. You have good showdown value and if the BTN had AA there is a good chance he'll check this flop as he should be thinking that he'll only get 1 street of value and he would want to others stab at it.
As played, good fold. From your description this player will only be nutted here.
 
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An $8-$10 is a pretty standard raise for me with 1 limper. I don't like to telegraph my hand strength with bet sizing tells. As for the turn bet, I wasn't afraid of the Ace after he checked the flop and with 2 players in I don't think this was a case where I could only get called by better. I was hoping to get some value maybe from Queens or Tens by the button or any weird hand from the UTG fish. Also, with 2 broadways out there I think there's value in ending the hand right there. I probably have the best hand and I don't want to give a free card to any drawing hands or lose to a rivered set or 2 pair. To me this was an easy Bet/Fold.

Jilly, for a second I thought your Title was "Child porn connoisseur". You were a mouseclick away from having the FBI break down your front door with a battering ram.;)
 
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An $8-$10 is a pretty standard raise for me with 1 limper. I don't like to telegraph my hand strength with bet sizing tells. As for the turn bet, I wasn't afraid of the Ace after he checked the flop and with 2 players in I don't think this was a case where I could only get called by better. I was hoping to get some value maybe from Queens or Tens by the button or any weird hand from the UTG fish. Also, with 2 broadways out there I think there's value in ending the hand right there. I probably have the best hand and I don't want to give a free card to any drawing hands or lose to a rivered set or 2 pair. To me this was an easy Bet/Fold.

Jilly, for a second I thought your Title was "Child porn connoisseur". You were a mouseclick away from having the FBI break down your front door with a battering ram.;)



Unless you have evidence of your raise sizing being noticed, I wouldn't worry about it at $200NLH, IMHO.

Still think this hand is only a 1 street of value hand at the river if it checks thru.

LOL on the misread [emoji14]
 
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Honest question...If you don’t 4-bet pre with KK, do you ever 4-bet pre?

You said you usually do, but then said that you wanted value out of your hand. 4-betting KK pre IS a value bet against a tight player.
 
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I don't know the answer to that question, I would never flat call with KK preflop.
 
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Honest question...If you don’t 4-bet pre with KK, do you ever 4-bet pre?

You said you usually do, but then said that you wanted value out of your hand. 4-betting KK pre IS a value bet against a tight player.

I didn't say he was tight. He actually seemed pretty experienced if not a little too ABC. It's probably not a bad approach to $1/$2.


4! KK pre-flop is usually the correct play at $1/$2-$2/$5 and I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've played Kings this way. Whether or not it was the best line to take here is up for debate.


In this case I didn't think villain had to be very strong to 3! and after chatting with him for a while I thought he might be good enough to get away from some of his weaker holdings pre-flop if I 4!, or he might just shut down on the flop without the nuts. By just calling I thought I might under rep my hand and get value on later streets from 99+ or KJ-AK with the plan to check call the flop if an ace comes and check fold the turn.
 
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