$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live game - Mistake or variance vs Fish

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Before i start the hand history, i would like to give a little information in the villain. He played with me before in local casino and hes quite fishy but today he had a stack of $900 or so. I moved to his table in position trying to get a pot with him.

The blinds are $2 - $3 not $1 - $2. Since i dont have the option for that....

UTG +1 (Villain): $900- Limps
CO: Limps
Hero (BTN): $300
SB:Calls
BB:Checks

Pre Flop: (pot: $15 ) Hero has 6♦ 9♣


Flop: (5 players) 5♣ 7♦ 8♦
Villain bets $25 , CO folds, Hero raises to $70 , SB folds, BB folds, Villain calls

Turn: ($155, 2 players) 5♠
Villains leads out for $35, Hero calls $35

River: ($225, 2 players) 6♣
Villain bets $125, Hero calls

My thought process: I limped the pot to get a pot with the fish. I flop the joint and obviously i am raising the flop for value.I know he will be calling a lot of draws and two pair hands or even a set.

When he calls the flop, hes got a draw or two pair hands or a set.

Then the confusion happen, he lead the turn, and when he that i didnt put him on a flopped set, where he would have turned full house. If he had trips, i dont want him to stop betting his low equity hand and if he is bluffing with his draw, i would want to keep in the pot.

The river felt strong, like he actually had a straight too but i could not put him on a hand at all. I could not fold my straight.

So what you guys think? Do i need more hand reading skills or it was variance that the fish got there somehow? Fold pre even if it is a fish?

Fish has - 9♦ 10 ♠
 
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Fold preflop
With multiple players make the flop raise larger, $90
Turn donk lead is a blocking bet on what villain thinks is a scary card, raise it - villain has so very few combos that gives him a FH/trips, his range is weighted completely on draws.
River completes only a couple of draws but whether to call or not will be all read based.

Next time, please don't post results. Your post would have been much better if you stopped after postin the villains $125 bet and ended the post with 'Hero??'
 
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Call pre is really bad. Idc how big the fish is we don't need to start playing 90% of hands to get in a pot with him.
 
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This is a very loose call preflop but understandable as there is sometimes a need to mix it up preflop. I see no true error in your play except for on the turn when you should have re-raised the turn charge his draws a huge amount and if he has trips it will only inflate the pot. I do not think villain has many full houses in his range as fish tend to slowplay these monsters. Sometimes a loose call is okay but do not get into a habit against any opponent of just playing any two cards otherwise you slowly become the fish himself.
 
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Thats right, i should have folded pre or jammed on the turn because there was not way he would lead with full house on the turn or even trips....

Thank you again, i feel like this forum always helps me think more than i ask people who i play live.
 
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Before i start the hand history, i would like to give a little information in the villain. He played with me before in local casino and hes quite fishy but today he had a stack of $900 or so. I moved to his table in position trying to get a pot with him.

The blinds are $2 - $3 not $1 - $2. Since i dont have the option for that....

UTG +1 (Villain): $900- Limps
CO: Limps
Hero (BTN): $300
SB:Calls
BB:Checks

Pre Flop: (pot: $15 ) Hero has 6♦ 9♣


Flop: (5 players) 5♣ 7♦ 8♦
Villain bets $25 , CO folds, Hero raises to $70 , SB folds, BB folds, Villain calls

Turn: ($155, 2 players) 5♠
Villains leads out for $35, Hero calls $35

River: ($225, 2 players) 6♣
Villain bets $125, Hero calls

My thought process: I limped the pot to get a pot with the fish. I flop the joint and obviously i am raising the flop for value.I know he will be calling a lot of draws and two pair hands or even a set.

When he calls the flop, hes got a draw or two pair hands or a set.

Then the confusion happen, he lead the turn, and when he that i didnt put him on a flopped set, where he would have turned full house. If he had trips, i dont want him to stop betting his low equity hand and if he is bluffing with his draw, i would want to keep in the pot.

The river felt strong, like he actually had a straight too but i could not put him on a hand at all. I could not fold my straight.

So what you guys think? Do i need more hand reading skills or it was variance that the fish got there somehow? Fold pre even if it is a fish?

Fish has - 9♦ 10 ♠

Yo dude: stop posting results in the OP, please.

And as far as hand is concerned, fold pre, fold pre, fold pre, fold pre. I think I said that enough.

As played, flop is fine. On the turn, the donk bet is the only reason I would consider calling, or we could consider shoving. We put a ton of pressure on draws and trips, and get it in good most of the time.

However, as played, on the river, it's a snap fold. We beat nothing.

Stop posting the results . I know others have said this as well.

Could someone post a link to the sticky about posting guidelines for HH? I don't know how to do it from phone.
 
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Pre is good a long as you're a very strong post flop player and can make good reads/bluffs. You're basically playing the button. Readless is a fold though.

Yeah raise turn. Draws..
 
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Chasing even a fish with 9/6u will lead you to disaster!
Wait for a group 1 or 2 hand in position and then go to work.
 
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