$200 NLHE Full Ring: LIVE GAME :Flopped nut straight, but board paired on the turn

$200 NLHE Full Ring: LIVE GAME :Flopped nut straight, but board paired on the turn

Stack sizes: (Hero 170$) & (BB villain 350$ (blinds 1/2)
CO call, Hero Button (5d7d) call, SB call, BB check
flop (4h8h6s)
SB check BB check, CO check, hero (5d7d) bet 5$
SB call 5, BB check raise to 25$, cutoff fold, hero (5d7d) call 20$, SB fold
Turn (8c)
BB bet 50$, hero (5d7d) fold
Was this the right move? Should I have just reraised the flop for value against draws and 2 pairs or based on stack sizes slow play to see a blank on the turn. I was playing relatively tight, ocassionally was making questionable showdown calls. This is the reason for the line I took. I figured the villain had a narrow range due to limp pot, and big blind action on the check raised flop. The villain seemed like a solid player who didn't get out of line that offen, but wasn't playing super conservative. This led me to the villian having a narrow range of strong 2 pair hands or one over card and flush draw hands. What is the ideal strategy in this particular situation? Did I play it wrong? Should i have reraised the flop? Any advice would help. Would you have folded the turn? Thanks!

Bet larger on your initial bet on the flop, like $15, with 3 other players in and this board you will get FDs, 2P, sets at least calling you down and if a set does check raise its easier to get it in. The oversize bet will be seen a lot as TP or a bluff.

Unless I know that BB is capable of making a big laydown I'm 3-betting this all day. Most live players wont c/r a FD here so his range is weighted toward sets or the same ST8. As played, 3-bet to $70 and of course call any AI or shove over a 4-bet.

As played that turn is super gross and a very easy laydown. BB appears to be figuring you for a strong hand that you cant get away from with his lead.

Jillychemung said:

Bet larger on your initial bet on the flop, like $15, with 3 other players in and this board you will get FDs, 2P, sets at least calling you down and if a set does check raise its easier to get it in. The oversize bet will be seen a lot as TP or a bluff.

Unless I know that BB is capable of making a big laydown I'm 3-betting this all day. Most live players wont c/r a FD here so his range is weighted toward sets or the same ST8. As played, 3-bet to $70 and of course call any AI or shove over a 4-bet.

As played that turn is super gross and a very easy laydown. BB appears to be figuring you for a strong hand that you cant get away from with his lead.

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This

First, fold or raise on the button. Limping the button is almost always a terrible play.

Second, I don't particularly like overbetting the pot here. A $6 to $8 bet (similar to what you did) is fine. I'm not averse to a smaller overbet, maybe $10 --- but I think $15 could be an action killer.

Third, I agree with the feedback you've already gotten about 3-betting the flop. It's a very draw-heavy flop, so you should be re-popping there.

Finally, I disagree with JillyChemung's assessment of the turn play. This was a limped pot. Villains most likely hand in this spot are 8x or a flush draw --- possibly both. The only combos that have you crushed are 44 (3), 66 (3), 88 (3), 86 (6), 84 (6), and 57hh (1). That's 22 combos. There are 20 other combos of 8x that might play the hand this way, especially 8xhh. Plus there are non-8 FDs, overpair (discounted due to preflop limp), a couple of 55 or 77 combos by stupid players, some 6x (big x) hand from stupid players, and air. I don't have access to an equity calculator at the moment (just like you at the table), but I'm shoving here every time unless I have a live read about the SB being nitty/passive --- and that isn't your read on SB.

Folding here is very weak and if you make this fold, good players will exploit you frequently in similar spots.

-HooDooKoo

P.S. JillyChemung is a solid player. I just happen to think that this particular advice is bad.

So should I be still raising the turn all in? Due to the fact that many more hand combinations are still behind in equity. In hindsight, I should have reraised the flop, but the stack sizes were pretty weird. I was around a little under 100BB.

Dagr3at0ne said:

So should I be still raising the turn all in? Due to the fact that many more hand combinations are still behind in equity. In hindsight, I should have reraised the flop, but the stack sizes were pretty weird. I was around a little under 100BB.

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Raise the flop. As played I would fold the turn. Problem is that when we shove the turn that we get called by more hands that beat us then not. Also raise or fold preflop is the right play. Even at less than 100BB.

Should have raised/folded pre. Limping these cards on the btn will get you in trouble with more than 2 players in the hand.

Raise the flop for value and get it all in on the turn. As played it is a tough decision and one can understand making a tight laydown but that would be playing too tight in my mind.

So to make the right decision it is important to have info on the villain. If villain has a very tight image then making a fold is understandable.

Otherwise there is no way i am folding this flopped straight .. maybe i am turning into a fish .. lol