$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live game, TPGK out of position vs 2 callers

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Blinds are $1/$2/$3, I've got $200 behind me, and I'm UTG+1 with AsQh

UTG limps for $3 and I raise to $15. I get called by one person in MP, the Button, and UTG calls as well. Everyone has me covered.

The Button has been playing a lot of hands and has been catching some weird two pairs. Very loose, somewhat aggressive postflop. Generally bets, checks, or calls, did not make any check raises up to this point. Was capable of folding a two pair to a bet on a river that put 4 cards of the same suit up. MP is loose passive, but less loose than the button, and I have less information on him.

The flop comes Ac Jc 7d, I have top pair, good kicker

UTG checks, I bet $30, MP and BTN call, UTG folds.

Turn is 2h

I bet $50, MP folds, BTN calls.

River is Kc

I check, BTN bets $87, I fold.


First, was the $15 raise preflop a good raise size? I usually raise between $10-$20 in live games. $10 would have kept the pot a bit smaller and more manageable, while $20 may have scared someone out of calling preflop. I could have just folded AQ as well from UTG+1, but I'm expecting to get called by worse, so I'm guessing it's profitable.

I felt the $30 c-bet on the flop was probably a good size. If I was raised >2x by anyone, I would have folded. If I was minraised, I would have called and checked the turn, folding to a significant bet, and check calling the river if the flush missed.

I think I made the mistake on the turn of not jamming all in. The pot was about $150 at this point, and I had about that much left behind me. It's more likely that the button had a flush draw than a monster given that she did not raise on the flop. MP I was a bit more worried about, but given that he is fairly loose as well, I think I'm still probably ahead of both of their ranges. My original plan was to make the smaller $50 bet to protect my hand and fold to a raise.

On the river, my plan was to check. If the flush completed, I'd fold to a bet. If it didn't, I would call any bet as I thought the button would have been likely to bluff at it. Since it completed, I folded.

Any suggestions on how I should have played it differently? Would you agree with jamming the turn?
 
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Pre is fine,

I bet 45 on the flop, turns a complete brick and theres 201 in the pot, you have 140 behind, jam...

Easy game!!
 
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Sorry I only read the first line, you said the blinds are 1/2/3. Does this mean Norman Chad has finally got his superblind idea into poker?
 
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^^ ditto

You flop bet is too small and only serves to bloat the pot. With your stack size and the pot size you need to make it an easy decision to stack off on the turn even if just one player calls.
 
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I think I made the mistake on the turn of not jamming all in. The pot was about $150 at this point, and I had about that much left behind me. It's more likely that the button had a flush draw than a monster given that she did not raise on the flop. yea, or anything tbh (you described her as basically a nut) MP I was a bit more worried about, WHY? What is he flatting on the flop that beats you, and what does the turn change? but given that he is fairly loose as well, I think I'm still probably ahead of both of their ranges. Agree. My original plan was to make the smaller $50 bet to protect my hand and fold to a raise. So why after that assessment do you plan this? What is it you are folding too? A flatted/slow played set or top two? Surely not A2 (2 was the turn) I agree you should have bet more here, and if that's jam in your and others mind...that's fine, (bet whatever amount commits you, cause you're not beat here and shouldnt leave anything in your mind that allows you to fold). I think your fearful-of-the-boogieman thinking hear prevented you from doing that.

So I wanted to show what I noticed as the reason you made the self admitted mistake of not betting more, and show that there was no real reason at all. I also think if you're going to play it this way you have to call the river, as there's some value in your check-calling any river. I think she has a broadway hand (which may have beat you on the riv, oh well) or Ax enough here, as well as position which she thinks (rightfully so) gives her more outs to win the pot with a bluff.

On the river, my plan was to check. If the flush completed, I'd fold to a bet. If it didn't, I would call any bet as I thought the button would have been likely to bluff at it. Since it completed, I folded. This was further reason that made you bet so small on the turn. We need to commit on the turn, as all this other stuff is bleh.

Any suggestions on how I should have played it differently? Would you agree with jamming the turn? yea, that's fine. If you really think about this hand and where you are on the turn, you'll be confident you're the best and wont concern yourself with creating multiple exit paths . I half wonder if the button sensed this too, and had it as part of her plan (and if she'd been doing it before).

Anyway, you nailed what the main issue is and you'll get it next time. gl
 
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This is alot closer than it looks. My immediate reaction was to check fold.

I've ran a stoving since with every single Ax hand unnegated and we're behind, villains calling range me be super wide but that also gives him even more that beats us such as QT,A7, most clubs. Not to say the stoving is conclusive, it isn't guranteed villain doesn't raise his flopped monsters despite OPs read and villain may call worse than Ax. On the otherside of the coin villain could well hold more flushes than I included or even fold some of his weaker Ax hands.
 
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Bleh just worked out the pot size on the river, I just wasted my time stoving :p

With stack sizes this small villains calling range will be much wider and the possibility of him shoving worse is no longer negligible.
Bet bigger on the flop then shove the turn
 
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