$200 NLHE Full Ring: LIVE - A9o on decent board (A24rainbow)

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  • Live $1/$3 full ring (9 handed)
  • Is bet/fold on the flop appropriate? or should hero have checked it?
  • If C-bet is appropriate, what size do you feel comfortable with and why?

Hero Stack: $680Everyone else: ~$200


Hero is on the button and looks down at A9o.
UTG who is Loose Passive calls $3.
HJ who is an OMC calls $3.
Cut off who is also can OMC calls $3.
Hero raises to $25.
SB folds.
BB who is LAG calls for $22.
UTG calls for $22.
HJ calls for $22.
Cut-off calls for $22.


Five ways to the flop. Hero comments and says, "did I not raise enough?!" *laughs* UTG says "well, BB calls so I have to call." HJ agrees. Cut-off agrees. The tables giggles about it then the flop comes out.


Pot is $111
Flop: A-2-3 rainbow


Everyone gets silent. Checks around to hero who C-bets for $50.
Folds back to hero. Hero takes it down.
 
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i think id check just because i dont think theres a lot of worse hands that call you here. maybe somebody gets sticky with a medium pocket pair, but unless theyve never played poker before, they probably think youre likely to have an ace, so i dont even know if you can get value from those medium pocket pairs. there are plenty of hands that call that beat you though, like ive been seeing people lately limp calling with hands like AQo they could have 22 or 33 or 45. those hands that beat you arent terribly likely, but i think they are slightly more likely than hands that call you that you get value from. so i lean towards a check and maybe try to get value from a draw if the turn puts a flush draw out there
 
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Its a tough spot, but I kind of like a c-bet here to narrow the field. You decided to raise A9o in a loose game into 3 limpers, so I think a c-bet to rep AK is appropriate. The last thing we want to do is give a 4 or a 5 a free card, or K3s for that matter. Hopefully the bet gets you heads up and you can check for pot control on the turn. The sizing is good. Less than half pot with only a draw to the gut shot straight denies pot odds while minimizing what you risk.


In this loose passive game, I don't think I'm playing A9o into 3 limpers with LAG sitting in the BB. I will open without the limpers, but I think you have to really tighten up your opening range in this spot.
 
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The last thing we want to do is give a 4 or a 5 a free card, or K3s for that matter.


In this loose passive game, I don't think I'm playing A9o into 3 limpers with LAG sitting in the BB. I will open without the limpers, but I think you have to really tighten up your opening range in this spot.


Yes. my thought process exactly.

regarding my opening range, i wouldn't be opening a9o like that usually in that situation.
 
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I'm okay with punishing weak limpers with A9. NH.

Attacking players who don't like their hand is a great reason to be loose preflop. And nothing says "my hand isn't that good" like limping.

You could play this flop WA/WB, but I don't think You're going to induce many bluffs multiway.
 
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i think the idea of betting with the intention of "thinning the field" or to prevent draws from "getting a free turn" is kind of a long the same ideas of betting for protection. betting to make worse hands fold is not how we should be thinking about poker. we should be betting if we can get those draws to call our bet. but like c9, i like playing this as a wa/wb type of situation. yes, multiway pots will have tons of variance involved, but it all comes down to simple EV.
 
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Yes, you hit top pair. your kicker is mid range, but if anyone else had a higher kicker they would have raised pre. If anyone hit 2 pair, or if the loose passive is holding a 45, then your getting checked raised, and its an easy fold assuming they raise to at least $125 like they should on a flop like this.
 
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Nice hand. And this is standard to any winning players

U can play even wider... if u get the folds it doesnt matter what cards you have. But having A we definetly block..


Just we need discipline when we do get action though postflop and this is what makes or breaks A9o
 
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One last thing the reason why we play against passive widely... its because we can get cards cheap and lose less when we miss and make the pot bigger when we do hit. Plus passive only raise with the nuts.

But keep in mind the more limpers the lower % this will work and we will need to make our hand and with such a big raise pre its already bloated. And this takes our edge from the passive
 
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