$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live $1/$3 - Did I bet too much on the river?

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So this is 200NL live poker played at a casino with $1/$3 blinds. Hero is deep-stacked with about $1000, villain is also deep-stacked with about $1200 and everyone else on the table has under $400. Villain is an Asian guy who is a bit of a calling station. The table in general is quite passive.

Hero is dealt KK from MP2

Preflop: SB posts $1, BB posts $3, UTG calls $3, Villain raises to $18 from UTG+1, folds to hero who re-raises to $45, BTN shoves all-in for $50, villain calls $32 more, hero calls $5 more (since I wasn't allowed to 4bet) everyone else folded

Flop: $140 in main pot (locked, rake taken out)
Flop shows K94 rainbow

Villain checks, hero bets $50, villain calls $50

Turn: $240 in pot total
Turn shows an Ace

Villain checks, hero bets $175, villain calls $175

River: $590 in pot total
River is a brick low card

Villain checks, hero shoves all-in for $700, villain tanks for a while and eventually folds and flips over his cards (I will post results later).

Do you think I bet too much on this river? My aim was to stack hands like AK and lower sets and possibly get a hero call from hands like TT/JJ/QQ/KT/KJ/KQ. I didn't really consider him having hands like AT/AJ/AQ because I thought they would've folded on the flop. Thoughts?
 
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So this is 200NL live poker played at a casino with $1/$3 blinds. Hero is deep-stacked with about $1000, villain is also deep-stacked with about $1200 and everyone else on the table has under $400. Villain is an Asian guy who is a bit of a calling station. The table in general is quite passive.

Hero is dealt KK from MP2

Preflop: SB posts $1, BB posts $3, UTG calls $3, Villain raises to $18 from UTG+1, folds to hero who re-raises to $45, BTN shoves all-in for $50, villain calls $32 more, hero calls $5 more (since I wasn't allowed to 4bet) everyone else folded

Flop: $140 in main pot (locked, rake taken out)
Flop shows K94 rainbow

Villain checks, hero bets $50, villain calls $50

Turn: $240 in pot total
Turn shows an Ace

Villain checks, hero bets $175, villain calls $175

River: $590 in pot total
River is a brick low card

Villain checks, hero shoves all-in for $700, villain tanks for a while and eventually folds and flips over AJs.

Do you think I bet too much on this river? My aim was to stack hands like AK and lower sets and possibly get a hero call from hands like TT-QQ. I didn't really consider him having hands like AT/AJ/AQ because I thought they would've folded on the flop. Thoughts?


Once again, results not necessary. I tell people this all the time...:)


You should be checking river, give V a chance to bluff. You have basically the nuts bro. By bombing river, you allow V to play perfectly, and fold.

Edit: Tired. Read too fast, responded too fast. Lol at me.
 
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Villain checked to me. I was in position and last to act.

I edited original post to remove results.
 
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Dangit. Read it too fast. You were IP. My reply makes no sense.

Bet smaller. 1/2 pot

You swung for the fence, and tried an offensive overbet. They work sometimes, but this time, swing and a miss......
 
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So what hands are we hoping to get called by when we bet $300 (this is still a very large bet for 200NL - equal to 1.5 buyins)?

Also, doesn't shoving look more like a bluff? And if villain has calling station tendencies, shouldn't he be inelastic with any hand that he likes?
 
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So what hands are we hoping to get called by when we bet $300 (this is still a very large bet for 200NL - equal to 1.5 buyins)?

Also, doesn't shoving look more like a bluff? And if villain has calling station tendencies, shouldn't he be inelastic with any hand that he likes?


The thing is, what can he have here? He doesn't have a monster. We are just hoping V paired the ace, and we can get $$$.

But even calling stations are calling off huge river bets here. Try to think real time "what is the most this dude will pay if he has A-X?? Bet that amount.
 
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His check calling range is probably only Ax since you block most Kx and he won't call with much worse. Given this range, I'd probably do something more like 1/2-3/4 pot, just seems more likely to get called by his probable hand strength
 
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i'd raise more pre, $60 a pot sized raise, so that my opponent has to pay a nice price to try to out draw me, since I am liable to lose a lot of money if he does hit the flop. Maybe even $65-$70 for the same reason.


On the flop you definitely have to bet. It's already a big pot and you are definitely getting stacked for a ton if he hits a gutshot on the turn. I think I bet more here, since hands like A hi aren't calling anyway. The thing is we're so deep that getting 4:1 villain probably should call with a gutty here. But if I bet more like 125 then he can't really profitably call.

Turn is good.

Yeah river you over bet probably, although in general vs a fish when you have a lock on the end you do want to bet big. The thing is villain is very unlikely to have slowplayed a big hand in this massive pot. I still think you should bet big just slightly less than pot but w/e not much difference between 80% pot and your overbet anyway.
 
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First off-- $10 in rake, wow that's high.
I didn't mind your play and occasionally that's the best play to make. But, I'm always worried bout blowing the guy off the hand with that move.
Generally, I would make 1/2 pot value bet. Player dependent, but occasionally I'll make even as small 1/3 pot trying to induce a bluff reraise with air or a guy over- valuing some Ax hand.
 
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