$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live $1/$2: Turn Play???

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I was playing a live $1/$2 game yesterday at my local casino. I entered into a pot with a guy who has played quite a few hands and would call and bet only if he hit something on the flop. He would call/bet if he hit anything and not necessarily if he hit the flop hard. I am in seat 3 in the big blind and villain is in seat 7. I have an effective stack of 100bb and villain has effective stack at this time of 200bb so he has me covered.

Villain raises to $ 10 and 2 people called and I decided to call in the bb with KQ diamonds. Pot is $41 because the sb folded.

Flop comes Ad Jc 9d....
Hero checks and villain cbets for $20, two folds and hero calls $20. Pot =$81

Turn is 3H
Hero checks and villain bets $30

What should hero do???????????

I look forward to the advice and please feel free to point out any other possible errors.
 
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Idk about the preflop play, but I'm pretty sure a check/raise on the flop would've been a good play here
 
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Why do the check/raise on the flop and not the turn????
 
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Why do the check/raise on the flop and not the turn????
more equity on the flop than the turn and your regaining initative earlier in the hand than if you c/r the turn.

Say he has a jack like JT you have any king,queen,ten or diamond to improve and so are favourite here. If he has a rag ace you've still got any ten or diamond. If he ONLY bets when he hits the flop he's likely to call a c/r IMO. If he c-bet 100% of the time a c/r might not be so good as it'd fold out his bluffs and just continue with hands you have less equity against.

Also c/ring on the turn will probably pot commit you (haven't done the maths) but a pot of $111 on the turn means when you c/r you'll have to call his shove. If you c/r on the flop you can get away from a flop shove.
 
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Is it wrong that I really want to 3bet pre?
 
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I was thinking the same but that would really depend on the player tendencies I guess, but yea thinking of 3 betting pre alot, on the flop i'm playing my hand like its the nuts.and trying to get the money in on the flop if i have to.
the reason i say that is becuase right now you have close to 50% equity even if he has an ace, but you have greater equity when you include the fold equity of playing your hand like the nuts, even weaker ace hands may fold. nvm his 2nd pair type hands.

and even if he goes all in your still a 50/50 shot to win it
 
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Ya I want to 3-bet pre, too.

If you don't C-R flop I would def. now C-R turn, doesn't appear that he has a hand he wants to felt here.
 
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At that point on a turn I would simply call. Check/raise not an option no more, cause your chances of winning have dropped from 45% to 27% if he has an ace. And if he will go over the top you are forced to fold. On a flop yes, check/raise would be a good play. 45% from the board + some percentage that he will fold in case he missed.
By the way pot on a turn for you isn't 81$ its 111$-rake. So simply call and get the value bet in case you get 10 or diamond. Given your read that he bets only when he hits the board, check/raise bluff on a river isn't an option, unless you know that he is capable of folding strong ace to a big raise. Well its just the way i see it.
 
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Thanks for all the responses everyone. So it sounds I missed played the flop more than anything here.
 
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wat, no. raise-call all day.


My mistake, after raise you are priced in to call all in for the rest. In such case I would say its call or all in situation on a turn. What's the point of the raise on a turn ? as value bet or semi bluff ? if semi bluff I think all in has better chance to take it down. :hmmmm:
 
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Is it wrong that I really want to 3bet pre?

In Live 1/2 I think it is good to limit the field when there is a considerable amount of $ in the pot as you dont know what the people who called have... They could be calling just for position with J 10 ect.

So 3 Bet Pre and put a squeeze on the villian. Since he only plays with something he is less inclined to call with a draw, but our hand is not so strong that we are upset of we win the pot here and now.

On the flop either come out swinging or c/raise. You have the best draws and are getting about 50/50. By betting or c/raising the flop you are turning your hand into a semi-bluff but if this guy only plays when he has something good chances are he will fold to your bluff or if called still have lots of outs.
 
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