$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live $1/$3 game, TPNK shoved into on turn

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: Live $1/$3 game, TPNK shoved into on turn

Played a live $1/$3 game, table is all unknowns to me except the annoying guy on my right. I've been here for two orbits and haven't played a hand and joked that I folded AK of hearts in the SB in a limped pot after a board with 4 hearts came out. At least one guy actually believed me.

i.e. i have a tight image

I had observed villain in this hand on one showdown, where he limp-called with KK in MP and check-raised all-in on a J98 flop.

UTG limps, MP limps, CO limps.

I have the :jd4::7d4: on the button and raise it to $15, SB folds, BB calls and the limpers call.

The flop comes :3c4::2d4::js4:

Everyone checks to me, I bet $40, MP calls, everyone folds. I have $246 behind and the MP has about $110.

The turn is: :2c4:
He shoves for $110 and instantly looks away.

Call or fold?
 
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If you have a tight table image and they called your preflop raise. You would have to think you are beat here. I'm thinking he at least has QJ+. I would fold.
 
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my Q is what exactly is villain representing?
 
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my Q is what exactly is villain representing?

He may not know.

He's probably representing quads with a draw to the nutflush.

I'm not sure these 200nl live guys think to "represent" a hand, or even pay a lot of attention to how tight you are playing.
 
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Tell me if you think my thinking is right: He raises the flop with any slowplayed overpairs...his range on the turn certainly includes some better hands like, say, JcTc, but my thought was somehow he got to the turn with a hand that now has a club draw, like he was floating with AcKc or something or maybe he had a hand like 88 and was trying to push me off.

I couldn't imagine he would just open shove an actual monster here when I probably have an overpair or a whiffed AK -- if I bet again I'm pot committed to calling anything.
 
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Well I would put him on a hand like A J,K J, Q J,J 10 or even an over pair, but this is what i'd expect on an online cash table. I'm yet to play in any live poker cash table, or tourney's but I think I would of called just to see what he had. But yet again J 7 is a horrible hand and shouldn't of even raised should of just limped. Hand like J 7s sure can get you into a lot of trouble if you don't flop two pair, trips, or flush draw. Hope all went well:)

Well what did you do?
 
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Tell me if you think my thinking is right: He raises the flop with any slowplayed overpairs...his range on the turn certainly includes some better hands like, say, JcTc, but my thought was somehow he got to the turn with a hand that now has a club draw, like he was floating with AcKc or something or maybe he had a hand like 88 and was trying to push me off.

I couldn't imagine he would just open shove an actual monster here when I probably have an overpair or a whiffed AK -- if I bet again I'm pot committed to calling anything.

I understand what you mean, its very simple to think that your opponent just wants to take the pot down with an A Ks or an under pair like 88 99 or 10's. But then you said he slow plays over pairs, so its very difficult on what to put him on, I hoped you called and won. :)
 
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Villain's line certainly LOOKS very semi bluffy -- the problem is there aren't a whole lot of semi bluff hands. Yea he could have 5c4c over have floated with over cards and backdoor clubs on the flop but thats really the extent of the semi bluff range. Villain next to never has a FH or a 2 given stack size he'd likely check and he'd probably get overpairs in on the flop.... but villain could have Jx a decent amount figuring he isn't folding given stack to pot size so he shoves the turn to protect against Qx Kx Ax, and figures he's paying off QQ+ anyway.

Close but probably a fold. Had there been more semi bluff hands I'd call.... then again you may have given villain the idea he can run you over in which case calling is good
 
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yeah you nailed his hand exactly -- 5c4c....it took me a while because i couldn't get a handle on his range and slowly started eliminated certain type of hands....decided he didn't have overpairs or TPTK hands and figured the only hands i'm behind were a few Jcxc hands.
 
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