$200 NLHE Full Ring: KK vs new player $1/$2 LIVE

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Local casino $1/$2 game.

Hero stack: $125
Villain: $75

It gets limped to me in MP with KK>
I raise to $11
Folds to UTG+1 who calls.

Flop comes 233 rainbow.

UTG+1 instantly bets $25
Hero: ?????
What do you do?

Villain is new, I have zero information and this is villains 3rd hand at the table, and I've never seen them before. Not once did she look at me, she looked at her cards, the flop, and then donk bets.
In the 3 hands she played she did come across as a new player (bets when she has it, will see a flop with ATC etc)

Has villain got a 3 here alot of the time?

Should I call/raise or fold in this situation? If I raise I dont think villain is folding at all. the bet was $25 into $24 as well. A little big and bluffy, but again, this player didn't seem like the bluff type.

As the night when further on with this player and watching her play I was almost more and more certain that she bet out with the 3 and had zero idea about position / bet sizing etc.

Thoughts?
 
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Just put her all in. He's only got $39 left with at least $70 in the pot. You can't fold here ever. You have an over pair with a stack to pot ratio less than 3.
 
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Fist pump and dance around the table while shipping the money in the pot
 
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Can't fold here against the nittiest nit. So hard to make 3 of a kind. She is value-owning herself on any smaller pair. People love to protect themselves against high cards. You're winning this more than not.
 
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Wow, you folded? Ship it in. The SPR is 3, and it's not even a 3-bet pot. Ranges are going to be much wider than usual. She probably has some mid/low pocket pair that is donking out to protect against "AK" lol.
 
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I have to agree with iplay here. I don't really see any way I'm folding here. Never Ever. How many hands with a 3 in them call UTG and call a preflop raise. (Not sure about pot odds). Even if u think the villain wouldn't donk bet here without "having it" that doesn't mean u should assume they have a 3. A 4,5 here might look good if they put u on something like Ak. Knowing that if u call the donk bet they are still drawing to a strong hand. Given the preflop action of limp/call a likely possibility is 44 - TT. Maybe even JJ. Overall, there are too many hands that can make this move here for us to be folding KK. We are getting 2 to 1 pot odds and villain has less than a pot sized bet left behind. I would say thank you and be more than happy to get it all in here.
 
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Yep, cant believe I folded. Iwas incredibly tired, and over thinking the situation and played it terribly :(
 
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Not enough winning combos to fold

Just put her all in. He's only got $39 left with at least $70 in the pot. You can't fold here ever. You have an over pair with a stack to pot ratio less than 3.

How many combinations of 3 can she have here? A3, K3, 34, or 33? Would she limp call with unsuited aces and kings? I don't think so. She can't have many 3s compared to all of her losing hands.

She could have limp called with most suited Aces, Broadways, pocket pairs and a bunch of suited connectors even AA, QQ. or JJ hoping to trap.

If she had 33 or 22 would she push with the nuts? I think we can discount those, but she would absolutely push all of here pocket pairs and 45s. There also some bluffs.

Against that range you are at least a favorite and maybe a 3 to 1 favorite. if she is ONLY pushing AA, KK, QQ, JJ 33, 22, A3s, & A3s you are still 50/50

She had $64 left at the turn and bet $25 into a $25 pot (less rake), leaving $39 behind.

Clear push IMHO
 
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How many combinations of 3 can she have here? A3, K3, 34, or 33? Would she limp call with unsuited aces and kings? I don't think so. She can't have many 3s compared to all of her losing hands.

She could have limp called with most suited Aces, Broadways, pocket pairs and a bunch of suited connectors even AA, QQ. or JJ hoping to trap.

If she had 33 or 22 would she push with the nuts? I think we can discount those, but she would absolutely push all of here pocket pairs and 45s. There also some bluffs.

Against that range you are at least a favorite and maybe a 3 to 1 favorite. if she is ONLY pushing AA, KK, QQ, JJ 33, 22, A3s, & A3s you are still 50/50

She had $64 left at the turn and bet $25 into a $25 pot (less rake), leaving $39 behind.

Clear push IMHO


Such a good analysis. I'm such a fish -.- Should never play while tired. Silly mistake cost me almost a double up!
 
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