$200 NLHE Full Ring: JJ up against LAG

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: JJ up against LAG

$1/2 Live game just sat at table. Villian is reg, that has shown he can be tricky, fast playing draws, but also very cautious. Dangerous player.


Hero UTG ($200) - J(h)J(s) Calls $2
UTG+2 ($400) - Calls $2
SB ($100) - Calls $1
Villian BB($300) - Raises to $17

Hero Calls $15
UTG +2 Calls $15
SB Folds

Pot: $53
Flop: 9c 7h 3d
Villian Bets $35
Hero Raises to $80
UTG+2 folds
Villian Bets All in

Hero.... ?

I think my flat call preflop was good fine, since a 3-bet probably folds out most hands I bet and gets action from hands that beat me. I'm not concerned about UTG+2 since his range is so wide and he is pretty fishy. When Villian leads for $35 should I have just called this street? Or was the raise pretty standard?

As played, is this a crying call? At this point there are not many hands in his range that my hand can beat.
 
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Why limp utg w JJ?

What range are you giving villain to raise BB to $17? Is he capable of making that raise pf w T8s or 86s?

Your hand is underrepped as played, but you're in a very tough spot due to the utg limp. Really, the only hand I think you're ahead of is TT. I may call as played and pray he's playing AK/AQ, if I think he's capable of betting a 6 outer hand and thinks we've got air, but...
 
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We have 1/2 our stack in and our hand is underrepped, so I guess we can't fold. So call.

Limp/calling UTG is very bad btw, raise this up pre (would also help define your hand and not be in weird spots like these)
 
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I was planning a CR because some of the weaker players were in position that tended to raise a bit more often. But that didn't work out, then the BB raised a pretty substantial amount.

To me his raise PF really meant huge strength or total air.

On the flop his range is still polarized. either JJ+ or rags, but I think for him to 4-bet me his range has to beat my JJ unless he has the 2-3 draws that came on the board. (10-8, 8-6, 5-4)

As played, I felt he had a bigger PP then JJ b/c he did tank for about 10-20 seconds before shoving.


Tough spot. I agree a raise UTG would have narrowed his range, but I hate playing out of position in a raised pot with a hand like JJ.
 
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But this is exactly what you ended up doing... :confused:

I was really hoping to limp-raise preflop, but since I wasn't expecting the BB to raise it up, I thought I could flat here, since I have position over the BB.

I ended up being OOP against only the MP caller, but I wasn't too worried about his holdings since his hand could have been anywhere from 53o+.

I hate JJ. :)
 
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This is one of those rare things in poker that I do very nearly 100% of the time, but JJ even UTG, I raise and usually I raise big, I want one or two callers.

Short of flopping a set, what does a good flop look like for JJ if no one raises for you? And if someone does raise, and you re-raise, the only hands that call you here have you beat or have a strong draw against you? If someone does raise, and you flat call, then you end up here...


As for the flop, to be honest I call here thinking he's open ended or has two pair. If he's got two pair I'm in a trouble but I've got outs, but I'm really expecting to see him turn over the straight draw.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys.

I ended up calling the all-in and villian tabled AA for the win.
 
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I was really hoping to limp-raise preflop, but since I wasn't expecting the BB to raise it up, I thought I could flat here, since I have position over the BB.

I ended up being OOP against only the MP caller, but I wasn't too worried about his holdings since his hand could have been anywhere from 53o+.

I hate JJ. :)

You do realize that an UTG limp/re-raise looks incredibly strong right? If someone does this to me and they aren't a total fish I fold out almost all hands but AK/QQ+

Edit: so you may only get calls from hands that beat you
 
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Thanks for the replies guys.

I ended up calling the all-in and villian tabled AA for the win.

Again like in your last post, a spot where raising preflop would define your opponents hand better to you and possibly save you some money. As played you still have to call (though not happily), you have 1/2 your stack in with a severely underrepped hand
 
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You do realize that an UTG limp/re-raise looks incredibly strong right? If someone does this to me and they aren't a total fish I fold out almost all hands but AK/QQ+

Edit: so you may only get calls from hands that beat you


Isn't this what I was saying about my flat call PF with JJ? If I 3-bet it'll fold out worse, but get action from hands that are better AK/QQ+ ????

I think where I went wrong was limping PF, I should just open raise. JJ shouldn't be strong enough to limp UTG then 3-bet. But I was doing this again with the intention of a 3-bet because the players in LP were opening pots very light and calling light, so a limp-3-bet with JJ would have been OK.
 
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