$200 NLHE Full Ring: JJ in position vs short stack

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Hi guys I was playing at a 1/2 NL table and was dealt the infamous JJ hand and would like some feedback on the way I played the hand.

UTG limps, Villain (UTG+1) opens for $15, Hero (MP) 3 bets to $60 forcing Villain to either fold or shove.

The effective stacks are villain's as he started the hand with $60. UTG is also short stacked with less than $60 starting.

Given JJ don't play well multi way I decided to 3 bet to play for stacks heads up against the short stacked villain. Villain is an okay player and his early position range consists of AJ, AQ, AK, and TT. Sometimes he will show up with QQ,KK,AA but given the price that I am getting I believe I can show a profit in the long run. Now this is a spot where I felt that 3 betting is the best approach because if I flat I will invite other players into the hand as this was a loose table therefore putting me at risk on a variety of boards.
 
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I think you played the hand exactly how you were supposed to. The only thing that raised my eyebrow was how you raised to $60 in MP. That is very dangerous considering you still have co,button,sb,bb, yet still to act, and thats not counting utg that limped(could've limped a monster). I understand that you don't want to price any other players into the pot but you almost commit yourself, say if button wakes up with aa, kk and sets out a 4bet to 120 preflop, you're definitely not going anywhere getting over 3to1 with jj... Or even if he wakes up with ak,aq and isn't afraid to flip off $200, are you calling off your whole stack with jj?? This is called pot control. If you kept your 3bet to around $35, you are isolating out all crap hands(including utg) while keeping the pot controlled.
 
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So V (UTG +1) has like $60 or w/e? Yeah, just put whatever he has in the pot. Really nothing you can do here but gii.
 
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Yeah , play nice . but u have to be carefull
 
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I think I would just double the raise of the villain. If more than 2x its raise, he would be committed if he calls. If only doubles, he would surely call and if he will not hit on the flop, he would be hesitating to continue since he is not yet committed.
 
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Unless everyone else has folded already, your sizing should be normal ($60 is a bit steep). Chances are they're folding or shoving anyway, and you'll always call. Sometimes they will flat, but you'll be putting the rest in on a lot of flops anyway.
 
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I agree with sandbag, A raise to about 48$ seems good here solely because there is action behind us. If the short stack decides to shove for an extra 12, we call and take that spot because we have JJ. But if you raise to 60 and a deep stack decides to make it 170 to play, then you have no choice but to fold. Also, if you merely make it 2x as someone else suggested, you will get multiple callers because its live and there are different raising standards.
 
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a raise to 40-50 accomplishes the same thing as a shove, the only difference is that occasionally when a big stack wakes up with a monster you save yourself 10-20$. it gives you slightly more value in the long run.
 
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