Originally Posted by Six Hurdles
Yes, this is live. I don't think that worse necessarily folds to a raise.I disagree, you get all hands to fold except flush draws, TPGK, 2 pair, set, or might get a OESD caller if loose The reason I raised was to minimize loss what you did is raised to get weaker hands that could suck you out to fold while only keeping in the strong hands that already have you beat?. If the flop bet is a continuation bet on her part then a call looks kind of weak and encourages a bet on the turn even if it's another continuation betwhy dont we want her to continue betting? If she is strong and thinks you are weak you might get away with a cheaper hand, if she is weak and thinks you are weak she may bluff at you! You have top pair and a good kicker. Against most villains on the flop this is great. Also, Calling the flop sometimes looks stronger than raising.. In this situation by raising what hand are you representing?.. I'm not raising the turn for sure so she may bet the river as well. I can't very well fold the river at that point. I figure that if I call the flop, by the river I'm in for about $80. In the long run that $30 raise saves me money if I'm behind. It may "save you money" by minimizing your losses but you also cut out your wins too. By taking the line of win the pot on the flop you turn your top pair good kicker into a bluff.
If she calls the raise it is either a crying call or super strength. It all depends on whether she then bets the turn. If she checks then I am betting the turn because I don't think she is ahead. If she bets into me on the turn after my raise on the flop then I am beat beyond a shadow of a doubt.
For me I would rather play my top pair good kickers differently. I want to make it to a showdown with a small-medium sized pot betting for value while keeping pot managable, unless villian's play dictates that I should think otherwise.
The thing about raising is you should really think about what you are representing by raising. Raising on the flop here you are announcing to the world "I have a King!- please fold" Depending on the player they may use that against you either to bluff or not and say that they have you beat by betting and raising or by making sure that you pay the max amount for a showdown.
In this hand you may have saved yourself some $ with the pre-flop raise but again I think you may have missed some opportunities to gain value from opponents when you have a hand that beats your opponents And by not conceling your hand better or thinking about the hand you are representing by raising on the flop you leave yourself open to being exploited.
For me I would typically take this line:
River: as long as str8, flush, or A dont come out I Value Bet