$200 NLHE Full Ring: Good fold or not?

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: Good fold or not?

I've wrestled with this laydown for months now. It was at our live poker room. i had Q9 h in the big blind. Everyone calls the bb. Flop comes jh 10h blank. I bet two everyone calls except one..who puts me all in if i call...naturally everyone else folds. I have a straight draw, a flush draw, heck a TWO way straight FLUSH draw! Knowing how he plays I KNOW he has three Queens. But i wrestled with the fold because there were so many darn DRAWS! Good laydown, or should I have drawn? (Someone fix this..it was a 1-2 dollar nl game, not $200...lol)
 
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Your hand is a 60/40 dog to sets, a dog to A hi and K hi flush draws, and a little worse than a coinflip to KK, and a favorite against any other hand (including AA).

Answering this requires the actual amounts ("I bet two everyone calls" - two as in $200? two as in $2 (this would be absolutely horrible)? how many players?) to do the math.
 
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It was a $1-$2-NL game, I just bet $2 and everyone called and after the flop the dude with QQ put me all in, that is raised so id be all in if i called..I had about $90 left. Oh and here's the "kicker" since we were heads up...before I even MADE my decision, he SHOWED QQ, so I knew what he had..the question really was should I draw...I elected not to but the thing is, almost every time I've won a big pot it's been due to an outdraw.
 
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I see Sindri beat me too it ... but I was typing at the same time lol... just also playing.

He couldn't have 3 queens on a flop with no Q. You mean a pair? In which it needed to be a call as you were the better end of a coinflip being offered 1.1:1 pot odds. So, enven thouhg you'd lose almost half the time, it was a bad fold.

You also got lucky with the flop bet. Check this or bet something more like 40% of the pot. $5-6? IMHO
 
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All i remember was that the guy had trips. And I had q9h
 
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Rule #1 of NLHE: Don't fold sets.
Rule #2 of NLHE: Don't fold combo draws in a heads up pot.
 
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PokerStove is your friend.
Board: Jh Th 2s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.697% 53.33% 01.36% 1584 40.50 { Qh9h }
Hand 1: 45.303% 43.94% 01.36% 1305 40.50 { QQ }



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Also for the next hand u post please provied alot more details. Its impossible to analyse a hand with out alot of details.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/hand-analysis-posting-guidelines-87481/

I did post the actually..my im didnt post them when i cheked everything off, weird.
 
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FWIW, It is that your buddy SHOWED you the QQ that we can figure you had odds to call. It get a little more dicey if he had TT+ or made set with the "blank". In this case youre up against three hands you draw better than 50% against (QQ+) and three that beat you (TT,JJ,XX). In that case its gonna be even closer to a coinflip, with you on the losing end a little.
 
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Well... if he DID show you a set before you folded, then you had really close to pot odds=drawing odds, as I see from Sindri's poker stove numbers. This is assuming it was $90 to call a ~100 pot.
 
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Thats just it. Now that im thinking about it, that (blank) card VERY well could have been the case Q (or else how else would the dude have three Queens?
 
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I cannot respect myself folding this so call
 
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Rule #2 of NLHE: Don't fold combo draws in a heads up pot.

well there are situations where you have a small combo (non-pair) draw getting bad odds and the other player's range is pretty much strong made hands + flush draws all of which are bigger than yours, and that hurts your equity a lot. this isn't one of those situations, just sayin
 
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Because he showed you his hand before you made the decision - I would have called. If you are playing with $200 I'm assuming you are using good bankroll management have at least another $200 with you and a whole lot more in your bankroll to back you up if you lose this hand.

You have so many outs here (as stats have already been posted above) there is no way I'm folding when I know for a fact my opp just has an over pair and I have open ended straight draw, flush draw and open ended straight flush draw.
 
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I don't often quote Dwan, but I think it's appropriate here... "You can't win if you fold."

And, for the record, I tell people "awesome lay down" too. :)
 
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Because he showed you his hand before you made the decision - I would have called. If you are playing with $200 I'm assuming you are using good bankroll management have at least another $200 with you and a whole lot more in your bankroll to back you up if you lose this hand.

You have so many outs here (as stats have already been posted above) there is no way I'm folding when I know for a fact my opp just has an over pair and I have open ended straight draw, flush draw and open ended straight flush draw.

This thought process is wrong. If your opponent flips over his hand and you are not getting the right price to draw, You don't make a -EV decision just because you have good bankroll management.

In a real game, against a reasonable range, This is probably a call.
If he is a ridiculous predictable nit or flips his hand over and your not getting pot odds, It is a fold.
 
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