$200 NLHE Full Ring: Getting out of line on the button multiway

Jacki Burkhart

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this is live $1/2 and I've just been destroying the table but in a TAG way. I'm not really limping along or playing a lot of pots. I'm just raising the limpers huge with value hands and then barrelling big and extracting max. So I'm playing like 4-6 hands per hour, literally. There's only 1 other guy at the table who seems interested in raising the limpers and he's on my right. everyone else is happy to see cheap flops.

I've got ~$600 (300bb) I cover the table most stacks in this hand are between $100-$250.


So, I'm on the button and a limpede starts. The dude on my right who likes to raise the limpers just limps along. I decide to make a super super loose limp with :10d4::2d4: I'm just playing my button essentially with suited potential vs terrible players.


In the end it's 8 players to a flop. pot contains $16


flop :kd4::jd4::4c4:


checks to the nitty old man in the LJ and he bets $8 off a stack of ~$175


It folds to me I flat on button and both the SB and BB flat.


4 players see a turn. pot contains 48.


turn is :6h4:


checks to old man who bets $8 again. That is such a weak bet. he either has a draw or a weak value hand. but most likely a draw. his draws are probably better than mine but he's nitty and I think I can get him to fold either now with a raise or on the river if the diamonds miss. Plus I need to fold out the crumb bums in the blinds.


so I raise to $45


the blinds fold and the nitty old man starts tanking. this is good. I know if he had a pair plus flush draw he would just insta call. he either has a bare flush draw or an open ender or a medium pair like JT. He almost folds but then reluctantly puts the chips out. He has no hollywood in him, this is a real dilemma for him.


I caution myself to check back if a diamond comes. I've also seen this nitty old man make his draw and check OOP trying to "trap" several times so if the diamond comes I'll just fold to his shoves, call his small and medium bets and check back if he checks.


pot contains $138. He has ~125 behind.


river :10c4:


he checks to me and now I abort my plan of firing misses because I've picked up showdown value and he's occasionally made 2 pair. I could try and fold out a J but he looks so dejected that I'm pretty sure I can just check and he's gonna show me missed diamonds and I can sheepishly roll my hand.


Questions: OK, preflop is wacky I know. I think flop is fine. What about the turn raise, how is my plan? and River? should I just fire anyways to try and fold out his Jx and prevent myself from having to show the table what I raised the turn with?
 
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With your read that you're a winner here and that the 'nom' never reraises for a bluff, I like to get some extra value here and also set up for some more cheap bluffs later on. I'd fire $25 on the river here. Some amount of the time these 'nom's will talk themselves into laying down a J or if he has missed draws you get a cheap way to scoop and not show your rags. I just like the small sizing as it brings these cheap bluffs into my river play as well as getting extra value from those players that say 'there's too much in the pot for me to fold' and will hero call with Ad4d, Ad6d, any AdXd.

Now I have seen others that will use this spot to balance their river overbet shoves.
 
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I wouldn't care about the table seeing the 10,2s.
 
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Omg raise pre, so much money no one wants to defend.
 
Jacki Burkhart

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Omg raise pre, so much money no one wants to defend.

I have been a ton. with hands like KTo Q9s etc. so I'm gonna get less credit than I maybe otherwise would. Also, they ARE defending. there's several players who will limp $2 and then call $20, and once 1 calls many will call. this isn't so bad with a hand like Q9s which has some playability. I really think T2s here should just be a fold but they're so bad I just want to see some cheap flops with them in position.
 
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I think on the river you should throw out a bet so small that he feels compelled to call. Something like 5-10$. Just a little added value, a lot of guys will just call to see your hand for a price like that. I dont think if he missed a flush you are ever getting looked up for an actual bet, especially at 1/2 game where nobody ever bluffs.
 
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In game I checked it back and he showed :ad4::8d4:

I’m 95% positive when Diamonds miss I can fire $50 and he’ll fold anything.


So yeah; maybe thin value $10? Except in the instance he wasn’t on diamonds I’ll get looked up everytime which will be Jx
 
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Wow, quite the story. Can't get behind the T2s even on the button with lots of other limpers, but once you have the flush draw and the weak bet into the limpede, I like the call.

With the blank on the turn and an even weaker bet, and not much of a hand, I like your raise on the turn to try and take it down, ready to fold to a re-raise. I also like the check back on the river. Raising turns your hand into a bluff, and even with your description it's unlikely to fold a pair of jacks.

Checking gives you the chance to show the T2, which I think is the best part of the hand.

Of course you are darn lucky a diamond didn't come of the turn or river. The way you were running it would been hard to fold the baby flush.
 
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I like all your hands Jacki. I'm fine with limping behind in position, the call on flop looks good, I love the turn raise because we should be raising K8/J8 and adding in our draws adds some nice balance there especially if u have a read he's drawing and u think you can maybe get him off it. The plan to fire non diamond rivers is great and check back diamond rivers is also great. I don't agree that we should bet this river, I don't think he calls with air even for a small bet so all that happens is u lose a slightly bigger pot when he has Jx. It's not a spot where I think value betting is appropriate because I don't think this old nitty guy is going to look u up with worse because you will NEVER Be bluffing with a 10-20 dollar sizing, it is a clear cut value bet so he should be folding all Ax and missed draws. Checking back is great, well played :)
 
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