Originally Posted by Trabendo_daze
I mean calling preflop really isn't that insane, especially if you peg villain as someone who will make mistakes. If the bet was smaller, I can see him betting worse for value, but I don't see him overbetting much worse for value. It's possible to have the best hand here, but I can easily see him having something nutted too, whether it be a FH or Flush. I doubt he's merging his range with an overbet here. Looks pretty polarized. Stare into his soul and make a decision.
We would be the ones making mistakes here. We are entering a pot, out of position, with a horrible piece of garbage hand, and then continuing postflop, putting ourself in the cage, not knowing if it's good, not good, etc. It is a 4x raise too... why oh why do we defend here?? Please enlighten me, on what planet is this a wise decision?
But forget about preflop, here we are, on the flop, we have Q-2s on 2-4-4r. About every other card besides a Q or 2 on the turn is bad for us... calling again... but whatever... This all stems from a poor decision preflop...
Like when we just call it off, we have to rely on showdown value. There is no fold equity. If turn comes J, K, A, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, these all make it even more difficult for us. This is 36 cards that will appear bad (certainly not "yaaay a 7 came off!") to us OOP if V continues to apply pressure.
Really, if we call preflop, then....
Why would we call the flop, and then fold the river here. We actually improved OTT, and V checks it back. Then some 5 comes on the river, and we fold? Why even call preflop, why call the flop, if we fold what seems to be a good board for our terrible hand? We are probably good here a bunch on the river, as played.
Also, there is no flush possible. He can have some janky A-3 for the wheel, and boats, or PP like 6-6 through JJ, or air. If he has KK or AA, he probably mashes the gas OTT as well. And if he has a boat, it is exactly 5-5 and nothing else IMO.
To anyone who reads this, my opinion is:
Stop calling raises with terrible hands from blinds. Only call with good hands.
Edit: It does even seem like villain broke out the "overbet hammer" (Jason Somerville) on the river too, to get it done. Seems bluffy.