$200 NLHE Full Ring: Folding a full house?

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quant1986

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Live full ring 1/2 table.
Villain is a loose aggressive, showed bluff with complete air.
My table image is fairly tight aggressive.

All folds to Button (Villain) which opens raised 5BB,
SB (Hero) with :kc4: :10h4:called and BB called as well.

Flop:
:kd4::ks4::10d4:

Hero checked, BB checked, and Villain bet 12.5BB.
Then Hero called and BB folded.[FONT=Lato, sans-serif]
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Turn:
:jd4:

Hero checked and Villain checked behind.

River:
a low card non-diamond brick

Hero bet 25BB and Villain quickly raised to 100BB+ and I roughly got 70BB stack behind to call the raise.

Initially I had a nasty feeling there as Villain didn't raised on river before and also he acted very calm so I put him on nut flush or KJ full house. But I didn't trust my read 100% and hoped he might bluff as well so eventually I made a crying call.

Would you be able to find a fold here?
 
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I am never folding here. TT, JJ could play the hand this way and have the same confident feeling. The only hand that beats you is KJ, if he has that, its just bad luck. Reload your chips and move on knowing that your call is fine.

I think I would have check raised the flop though (min raise to keep diamond draws in), and then bet to pot commit villain on the turn. You need to get chips in the pot when you flop the nuts.
 
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So fair to say you were at the top of your range on the flop and you have under-represented your hand against an aggressive, bluffing player (using their tendencies against them seems correct to me!)

No, you don't want to fold... even given your read there are plenty of hands villain can be comfortable with and still lose... flushes, lower full houses etc.

If you happen to lose to KJ or one of the straight flushes this time it is just bad luck and presumably why you have more buy-ins in your bankroll.

Good luck to you!
 
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Never folding for 70 BB here. If we are 500 BB deep, I may feel differently.

Preflop.... this is a loose call out of position with K-10o. 3b or fold. We aren't in the business of playing shitty hands out of position at full ring tables man. If you went wrong, it was pre, not after that.


So, considering he is aggro, and we will be playing hand OOP, I think you should fold pre.
 
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I agree on pre flop fold here. KT is usually good to win a small pot or lose a big one. Especially in this game. I always got into bad spots playing this hand, so I only play it sparingly in position as open raiser, or the occasional 3 bet bluff. Against this villain, I am folding pre every time.
 
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I guess you overestimate your villain. There are a lot of hands - flash, and street, and a full house with smaller pairs (TT and JJ), which you surely beat. There is no point in developing with a full house with senior thrips.
 
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Thanks all. I agreed I should have 3 bet bluff against late position raise from a loose player or fold. Villain made straight flush here with Qd9d.
 
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