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YellowHeart
Rising Star
Bronze Level
EDIT: 5 villains
This is a hand I played live at a local card table with 1/1/2 stakes ($1 button) with $4 rake.
After a 5bb raise from early position (V1), 3 people (V2,V3,V4) flat from behind.
Hero flats the CO with 7s5s, wanting to see a flop. Button folds. SB folds. BB flats
Flop ($59): 3s4s8s
BB checks. V1 c-bets $15, V2 calls, V3 and V4 fold. Hero raises to $40. BB folds, V1 folds, V2 calls.
Turn ($154): 5o
V2 leads out for $20. I shove for $95 more ($115 total). V2 (has me covered) waits about a minute before turning over As6s and I'm drawing dead (I think he felt bad).
What do you guys think of this hand? There are few better flops for my hand than a flush with a gutter to a straight flush. As for V2, he's an older talkative gentleman with imperfect English that has been trying to get people to straddle and play pots all night. So far I had seen him show down primarily premium hands (TPTK, two pair, etc.) as well as him revealing a missed flush draw to a river bet. Generally, he has been playing a lot of pots and has a lot of chips.
On the other hand, this was a pot that went 6 ways to the flop with little going on other than the 3 card flush. So there is a higher than normal chance for other flushes, which will probably beat my 7-high flush.
At first, I thought I did nothing wrong and just got unlucky to run into a nut flush that blocked my out to a straight flush.
Now I'm not so certain, and I have a couple of questions:
1. Preflop: I'm in the CO facing a large open-raise (was standard for this table though) and several cold calls. I'm getting a great price to see the flop and in my mind my hand was too weak to 3-bet. Did I make the right play to just flat?
2. Flop: Obviously it's a scary board. There were two people in front of me that could have been drawing to a better flush as well as BB behind, so I raise to deny equity with what I think is the best hand. I think this play made sense but with this many people to the flop, I'm not certain.
3. Turn: V2 didn't raise the original flop or my re-raise, so in my mind it is unlikely that he has a completed nut flush. V2 could have a set, made a straight on the turn, or had some nut flush draws and/or flush draws with a pair, that could all conceivably take the line he has. However, I definitely did not give enough credit to him slow playing the nut flush.
I think in hindsight, I turned my great hand into a bluff where I'm only getting called with better. All other made flushes beat mine except 6h2h (one combination that might fold pre-flop), and there are very few combinations of those hands that fold. The 6h for the straight flush is a one-outer against those hands which they could conceivably be holding themselves. A set might call, but I might be able to get it in on the river anyways. I have too much equity against a flush draw to want to get them to fold. Straights are very low probability. A 5 completing a straight on that board would mean that V2 called an EP open, c-bet, and flop re-raise with only a gutshot. Maybe A2 with the As or 76 with the 6s is possible here. Two pair or TPTK, over pairs without a flush draw are probably folding.
Now the question is, does it make more sense in this position to flat or choose a smaller raise size? I'm leaning towards flatting in this position due to stack sizes, but if I had been deeper (say, $200 behind rather than $115), would it have made sense to raise somewhere in the $60 range with the intention of folding to a shove?
4. There was also a $500 jackpot for high hand of the hour that I would beat if I made a straight flush. This might have induced my spewing, but it also doesn't make much sense as I would want to see a river if I wanted to roll for the jackpot. Should I just completely block out these considerations when making poker decisions?
5. Lastly, how would I go about making these types of decisions live? It is somewhat unfeasible to literally count the combination of hands that I beat versus the ones that I lose to. If I were to purchase software like PioSolver or FlopZilla, how could I apply what the software tells me to guide my decisions in these spots at the live tables?
This is a hand I played live at a local card table with 1/1/2 stakes ($1 button) with $4 rake.
After a 5bb raise from early position (V1), 3 people (V2,V3,V4) flat from behind.
Hero flats the CO with 7s5s, wanting to see a flop. Button folds. SB folds. BB flats
Flop ($59): 3s4s8s
BB checks. V1 c-bets $15, V2 calls, V3 and V4 fold. Hero raises to $40. BB folds, V1 folds, V2 calls.
Turn ($154): 5o
V2 leads out for $20. I shove for $95 more ($115 total). V2 (has me covered) waits about a minute before turning over As6s and I'm drawing dead (I think he felt bad).
What do you guys think of this hand? There are few better flops for my hand than a flush with a gutter to a straight flush. As for V2, he's an older talkative gentleman with imperfect English that has been trying to get people to straddle and play pots all night. So far I had seen him show down primarily premium hands (TPTK, two pair, etc.) as well as him revealing a missed flush draw to a river bet. Generally, he has been playing a lot of pots and has a lot of chips.
On the other hand, this was a pot that went 6 ways to the flop with little going on other than the 3 card flush. So there is a higher than normal chance for other flushes, which will probably beat my 7-high flush.
At first, I thought I did nothing wrong and just got unlucky to run into a nut flush that blocked my out to a straight flush.
Now I'm not so certain, and I have a couple of questions:
1. Preflop: I'm in the CO facing a large open-raise (was standard for this table though) and several cold calls. I'm getting a great price to see the flop and in my mind my hand was too weak to 3-bet. Did I make the right play to just flat?
2. Flop: Obviously it's a scary board. There were two people in front of me that could have been drawing to a better flush as well as BB behind, so I raise to deny equity with what I think is the best hand. I think this play made sense but with this many people to the flop, I'm not certain.
3. Turn: V2 didn't raise the original flop or my re-raise, so in my mind it is unlikely that he has a completed nut flush. V2 could have a set, made a straight on the turn, or had some nut flush draws and/or flush draws with a pair, that could all conceivably take the line he has. However, I definitely did not give enough credit to him slow playing the nut flush.
I think in hindsight, I turned my great hand into a bluff where I'm only getting called with better. All other made flushes beat mine except 6h2h (one combination that might fold pre-flop), and there are very few combinations of those hands that fold. The 6h for the straight flush is a one-outer against those hands which they could conceivably be holding themselves. A set might call, but I might be able to get it in on the river anyways. I have too much equity against a flush draw to want to get them to fold. Straights are very low probability. A 5 completing a straight on that board would mean that V2 called an EP open, c-bet, and flop re-raise with only a gutshot. Maybe A2 with the As or 76 with the 6s is possible here. Two pair or TPTK, over pairs without a flush draw are probably folding.
Now the question is, does it make more sense in this position to flat or choose a smaller raise size? I'm leaning towards flatting in this position due to stack sizes, but if I had been deeper (say, $200 behind rather than $115), would it have made sense to raise somewhere in the $60 range with the intention of folding to a shove?
4. There was also a $500 jackpot for high hand of the hour that I would beat if I made a straight flush. This might have induced my spewing, but it also doesn't make much sense as I would want to see a river if I wanted to roll for the jackpot. Should I just completely block out these considerations when making poker decisions?
5. Lastly, how would I go about making these types of decisions live? It is somewhat unfeasible to literally count the combination of hands that I beat versus the ones that I lose to. If I were to purchase software like PioSolver or FlopZilla, how could I apply what the software tells me to guide my decisions in these spots at the live tables?
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