$200 NLHE Full Ring: Flop quad deuces

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I've been playing for 4 hours on a $1/$2 NLHE table. The competition is fairly good. I have $415 in front of me the villain has me covered. The villain(Fred) raises to $8 under the gun. all folds to me in the cutoff seat, I call with pocket 2s. SB folds, LB calls. Three way action. Flop comes 2-2-6. LB checks, Fred bets $15, I raise to $35, LB folds, Fred reraises to $60. I call. Turn comes 8. Fred checks, I check. River comes 9. Fred checks. Pot is $145.How much do you bet?
 
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On the flop I wouldn't raise, Just call. I like the check back on the turn. River if looking at a bet I would re-raise if they both check, I would bet half the pot.
 
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depends if hes tightish he couldve had aks and reraised to bluff aa kk but had draws... if hes drawy and missed id bet small on river .. enough to make money villain calling light and not enough that it opens villain to raise you
 
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all in

You can easily go for all in just like the pokerpros do. It is a tough decision for him though . He will have to think if you are bluffing to steal the pot, or if you do have good cards.. i would go all in.

good luck , and have fun !
 
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I'm with EvertonGirl that I wouldn't have raised the flop but that worked out well. With his check on the turn AND the river, it feels like he's letting go of the hand so I think I'd bet light, maybe around 1/2 pot to see if he'll call.

Love hearing all of these strategies. The shove or way over betting the pot seem like they could work well depending on the dynamics between you two.
 
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i would just bet 25 dollars to get a call because after reraising on the flop, he only wanted to know whether you had a decent hand and when you called he got the answer. most of the times he probably had two overs because otherwise there's not a single reason his checks on turn and river if he wanted to maximize his winnings. also if he had an overpair he wouldn't reraise on the flop i believe and he would've just called till the river as he had a decent hand and thinking you just reraised with a 6 or a lower pair than his like sevens and so.
 
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I've been playing for 4 hours on a $1/$2 NLHE table. The competition is fairly good. I have $415 in front of me the villain has me covered. The villain(Fred) raises to $8 under the gun. all folds to me in the cutoff seat, I call with pocket 2s. SB folds, LB calls. Three way action. Flop comes 2-2-6. LB checks, Fred bets $15, I raise to $35, LB folds, Fred reraises to $60. I call. Turn comes 8. Fred checks, I check. River comes 9. Fred checks. Pot is $145.How much do you bet?


Don't raise the flop. Why oh why would you give the dude a chance to get away? Just call. If we set the hook, maybe dude continues to bet thinking we are floating.

As played, I like the check back on the turn.


On the river, I suspect this guy has nothing. However, if he's gonna call, he's gonna call. I'd go like $75? Maybe more.... This depends on your image and dudes image... You didn't say much about images.
 
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Actually I'm jamming on the flop, after you raise he smallish 3bet so we can assume he's got an overpair and willing to gii.
 
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Actually I'm jamming on the flop, after you raise he smallish 3bet so we can assume he's got an overpair and willing to gii.

No. We flopped the nizzles. Why would we ever ship this flop, and give dude a chance to get away? Not to mention, $415 effective stacks starting hand. So he's supposed to ram $400 +/- down this dude's throat, on this flop? No. just no.
 
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No. We flopped the nizzles. Why would we ever ship this flop, and give dude a chance to get away? Not to mention, $415 effective stacks starting hand. So he's supposed to ram $400 +/- down this dude's throat, on this flop? No. just no.

He bet, we raised, he reraised. Why call? If not jam surely 4 bet?

He's obviously willing to put more money in right now.
 
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He bet, we raised, he reraised. Why call? If not jam surely 4 bet?

He's obviously willing to put more money in right now.

Fred wasn't willing to bet on the turn... Because the turn was no help to him. Maybe on the flop he had a FD, we don't know what suits hit the flop as OP didn't say... Now if OP had just called the bet, Fred could of bet again.
 
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He bet, we raised, he reraised. Why call? If not jam surely 4 bet?

He's obviously willing to put more money in right now.

Dude, this is one of those "seeing where I'm at" raises. It's a minraise. We don't blow people out of pots when we have quads. This advice is so bad, it tilts me a little (all due respect).
 
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Dude, this is one of those "seeing where I'm at" raises. It's a minraise. We don't blow people out of pots when we have quads. This advice is so bad, it tilts me a little (all due respect).

Flatting a min 3bet holding quads on the flop doesn't seem smart, all due respect.
 
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Fred wasn't willing to bet on the turn... Because the turn was no help to him. Maybe on the flop he had a FD, we don't know what suits hit the flop as OP didn't say... Now if OP had just called the bet, Fred could of bet again.

Or we could continue to put more money in with the nuts. Not only do we not have suits, we don't have reads either.
 
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If we keep raising on the 226 flop what are we repping after the pre flop call? We are basically saying we have 66. This board is too dry for us to be repping draws. If the board was looking dangerous (for him) then I can see merit in clicking it back on the flop and seeing what he does but not on this board.
With quads I want to let him catch up so I'm definitely just calling his min raise here on the flop. If there is a flush draw hopefully he can get there. If he has 66 or a big overpair some money is going in down the streets anyway.
As played a turn check will help us get paid from weaker holdings on the end but I don't mind betting small on the turn to get value from his over pairs. If we bet 25-30% on the turn he might still call even with AK hoping to spike the river.
He did open utg so there will be overpairs here. If he has JJ+ overpair he's calling here so a good sized value bet looks called for here.
 
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I'd never raise on the flop, as I want the other player on the hand to call as well. Then I'd bet the turn if it was checked to me.

Anyway, the way the hand was played, with villain reraising the flop and you calling the raise, I'd definitely bet the turn so I could jam on the river without looking like an exaggerated overbet.

After check-check on the turn, I'd bet at least $100 on the river, something close to a pot size bet.
 
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Flatting a min 3bet holding quads on the flop doesn't seem smart, all due respect.

Why isn't flatting the 3 bet smart? 4 betting probably folds out most hands except 66/AA and we are never folding so flatting must be the place play but since it isn't smart what is it?
 
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Why isn't flatting the 3 bet smart? 4 betting probably folds out most hands except 66/AA and we are never folding so flatting must be the place play but since it isn't smart what is it?

Then we should just call the initial bet on the flop. If we are raising once why stop now?
 
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Then we should just call the initial bet on the flop. If we are raising once why stop now?

Yep he should of just called the initial bet. Raising the bet OP was just turning his cards face up saying he has a strong hand. OP was lucky that Fred was willing to re-raise with maybe a PP giving him 2 pair with the paired board. OP could of lost a ton of value if everyone folded. When I first said he may be raising with a possible FD on the flop was a brainfart on my part as the flop can't possibly have a FD :D a BDFD is possible but I doubt he had that... More likely 2 pair and Fred was just semi-bluffing.
 
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On the flop I wouldn't raise, Just call. I like the check back on the turn. River if looking at a bet I would re-raise if they both check, I would bet half the pot.

+1... I'm with this opinion right here and any like it... I would have called to extract more value on a later street... as for how hand has been played up to now I would bet about 1/3 - 1/2 the pot because it's looking like by his actions that's all he might get extra without opponent folding... damn... he missed a good opportunity by raising on tha flop...
 
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Min bet on the turn to make the hand look weak and to get villain further committed to the pot.As played I would go for 3/4 on the river.
 
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I like the play on the flop, builds the pot but doesn't scare him off. If he has a high PP , he may sense a smaller PP like 1010 or JJ or may be looking to fill up a flush draw (if 2 of same suit on flop). We don't know if his flop bet is a standard C-bet since he raised preflop but the fact he calls your raise indicates it likely wasn''t and he is calling with some high PP.

Others liked the turn check, I agree. It's nice, if he somehow hit a set and filled up (unlikely) or made a flush you;'ve got him pretty hooked. And if not hey he's still along for the ride and if he hits a set to fill up a FH on river you're getting paid off.

River comes and Fred checks. This can be thought about 2 ways. One way is to think "whose trapping who." Is it likely Fred had 66 or 88 or 99, not really. It's more likely Fred has something like AA to 1010 (or even some AK that whiffed). His river check either means he thinks he;s trapping a smaller PP with his high PP or second way to consider it, he whiffed OR knows he's behind and looking for a cheap value call to see if his PP is good or not.

All this said I bet about 1/2 pot here. If he thinks he's trapping you then he'll raise you and you can consider a re pop AI or another raise. Likely he isn't and can get away from his high PP and might still call to see if you just have like QQ to 1010 (since board is low it's possible both of you have AA-1010 range in his mind).

Don't jam the flop or turn or river. No reason too. If he's even somewhat thinking he'll dump his high PP on flop or turn to that aggression, why risk at least $300 more to win $100 or so he will think. And on river he's going to bail if you bet pot or higher, he might bail on 1/2 pot but he might sigh call. Or even better might re raise you and then you GII.

As played good on flop and turn, on river bet 1/2 pot. If he calls good. If he re-raises you, fantastic and you can either 4bet it or jam all in (I'd 4bet if there's a lot still behind just to induce him rather than force a fold). If he folds oh well.
 
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