$200 NLHE Full Ring: Flop the nuts...Is bet sizing ok?

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OK, so I am about 3 hours in to a live 1/2 cash session, Villain in this hand is a young kid who recently sat down and has not played many hands. I am in middle position with a $900 stack and he is on the button with about $275.


Two Limpers
I raise to $12 with AhJh
Button Calls
Both Blinds Call


Pot $52


Flop comes KdQcTd


BB leads out for $12
I call $12
Button Raises to $40
Both blinds fold
I raise to $120
Button thinks a bit and calls.


Pot is $204


Turn is 8h


I announce all in
Button tanks, and call for his stack $145
Final pot $494




Is my bet sizing here good on both streets? I figure he is either on a Ax diamond draw or has a set and is drawing to a full house. Either way, I have him in bad shape with almost identical odds. I know he could have AdJd and be free rolling when I bet the turn, but I can't really be too afraid of that. It seems like in my good sessions, I run into hands like this fairly often and I am playing big hands that either significantly cut into my day or make it a really good day. Am I playing this hand too big? I appreciate any and all thoughts.
 
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played well, general rule for betting raising is that you want villain to be left with 1 pot size bet on the river. Google for ggop bet sizing. gl
 
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As played I probably raise a bit less. I probably raise the BB's lead instead of backraising the button tho. Pot sizes are off. Would have been $304 going into the turn and a final pot of $594.
 
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Sorry about that, you are right about pot size. I posted it short by $100 after flop betting and turn betting.
 
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I think that you can check raise a little smaller to $100, or go way bigger and go all in. The smaller raise would leave Villain with $163 and a pot of $260, still very easy to get in on a safe turn. All in here looks like you have a one pair plus draw type hand. Making big over bets with the nuts will help balance when you are going for a big bet bluff later on
 
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I'm surprised no one has called out yet that you just called the $12 flop lead from the BB. Yes the BTN ended up raising, but that was more fortunate than anything.

The issue is that this $12 bet looks like a "set my price" kind of bet, and while you do have the nuts, we have a big "issue" that makes me want to raise now: The nuts is likely to either change on later streets, or become very easy for many holdings to chop. Any diamond means we're looking at reasonable likelihood of being beat by a flush draw trying to see a cheap turn for $12, and any A, J, or 9 will be action killers (or in the case of A or J potentially force us to chop the hand).

So I'd be bumping it up to something like $40 myself before action even gets to the BTN. As played, I don't really mind your follow up sizing to $120 because it makes our turn jam very easy as played. When this action goes down I have zero concerns about AJdd - it is 1 combination, and people tend to hugely overvalue two pair holdings in a spot like this ime. They may even overvalue combo draws as well, so there's no reason to see monsters under the bed at this point.

I prefer a flop raise ourselves, but overall NH.
 
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I'm surprised no one has called out yet that you just called the $12 flop lead from the BB. Yes the BTN ended up raising, but that was more fortunate than anything.

The issue is that this $12 bet looks like a "set my price" kind of bet, and while you do have the nuts, we have a big "issue" that makes me want to raise now: The nuts is likely to either change on later streets, or become very easy for many holdings to chop. Any diamond means we're looking at reasonable likelihood of being beat by a flush draw trying to see a cheap turn for $12, and any A, J, or 9 will be action killers (or in the case of A or J potentially force us to chop the hand).

So I'd be bumping it up to something like $40 myself before action even gets to the BTN. As played, I don't really mind your follow up sizing to $120 because it makes our turn jam very easy as played. When this action goes down I have zero concerns about AJdd - it is 1 combination, and people tend to hugely overvalue two pair holdings in a spot like this ime. They may even overvalue combo draws as well, so there's no reason to see monsters under the bed at this point.

I prefer a flop raise ourselves, but overall NH.
I did, post #3.
 
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I'm not sure why I didn't raise the BB $12 bet, I normally do in that spot, with 2 diamonds on the board. I was thinking that I may have been a bit heavy on my bet sizing after, though villain was chasing with Ad9d. I guess the math on any over bet he calls works for me there anyway. The river came 8s, which would be a big scare card for me if more action could come on the river, but this time, the hand worked out.
 
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I am confused. I agree with the post flop betting, but I don't understand the flop. The pot is $52, there is a $12 feeler bet in front of Hero and he just calls? The flop is very wet 2 Broadway cards and a diamond draw. A raise is required, IMHO.

As played the Button raises to $40. This raise is light too. After Button's $12 call the pot is $88 and the raise is only $28. Hero's re-raise is better $92 (after the $28 call) into a pot of $144. The turn pot is $304 and Villain has $143 behind. The shove on the turn is the best time to get Villain's stack in.

When one flops the nuts one has to decide which hands to target for calls. Given the flop, diamond flush draws, pairs, two pair hands, and trips are all viable. Slow playing the flop is a bad idea, IMHO. On the flops Villain can convince herself that Hero is not nutted and that her hand is or may hit to be best. The more cards that come, the less hope and more likely she folds.
 
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Raise flop donk lead. Fist pump and run around high-fiving people and get it in if need be. Don't flat $12 donk bet. Put the dude right in the cage.
 
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When the guy calls your $120 re-raise, he's pot committed. Think your turn shove is fine and the other guy prob should just go allin at the flop ( nut flush + inside str8 draws), after your re-raise and not at the turn.

Getting past your intial flat in a multi-way pot, seems the other guy misplayed the hand
 
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Agree with raising ourselves and setting ourselves up to jam turns.

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