$200 NLHE Full Ring: Evaluate line please - Live $1/$2

Lmbeach

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I think I just suffered from fancy play syndrome and should have shoved flop or shoved turn.

Hero is UTG with 77
Villain is UTG+1

Hero raises $15 (standard open) with $250ish behind, villain has me covered.
Villain calls, rest fold.

Flop: A75r
Hero leads for $20, Villain raises to $100 total.

Notes about Villain: He plays for a living; we have some history and I rarely see him get out of line. He has seen me Cbet into one or 2 on an A high board with under pairs and usually give up if called depending on the exact person and texture (he may or may not know it's villain dependent).

I decided to flat call, I'm not really putting him on any air on this flop, despite the read mentioned above.

Turn: K

I really thought this was a terrible card for me, not because it hurt my hand, but because my hand mostly looks like AK OTF and at the time I was putting him on A5/55. I was planning on open shipping turn, but after this card, I checked, expecting him to check behind and only bet 55, then I would ship river. I check, he checks.

River: 9

I open ship and he calls. I'll post what he had later.

What I'm really interested in is given that I had only just over 1/2 pot OTF after the raise should I have just stuck it in. At the time I was thinking I wanted to balance out times when I wanted to flat a raise with AK on drawy boards (I know he can raise draws), even though I can say I was thinking I would have folded AK on this board to the raise.

What if I actually had AK OTF, how would you have then played that. Keep in mind that this may be $1/$2 but really we are playing $2/$5 with 56bb.
 
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IMO I would shove on the flop there, he can call with 55, A5, lot of aces in his range, (especially if were giving him credit for A5 he could raise flop with AK-A7) and AA (if you think he'd be capable of flatting from that position with AA). It depends on your read though, given his read on you I don't think you can totally discount air, but if your confident you can then shove for value. Your good to get it in after his raise and offer him the odds to call when he puts you on a big ace.

If I had AK that's a spot cause I don't really want to call his raise OTF OOP and be a sitting duck OTT. Then again his read on you means he could be taking a stand with a lot of aces. OTF Im either shoving or folding, never flatting personally, depending if I think he's the type of player to take a stand there with medium aces.
 
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Reraise AI on the flop. There is $153 in the pot after villains raise and you have $230 left, if you shove your $230 the pot will be $383 and villain will have to call $130 so he's pretty much committed getting better than 2.5-1. You really aren't balancing anything when a flat leaves leaves you with the same choice on the turn. If you had called the $100 raise, the pot would be $233 and you'd have $150 behind meaning you have no room to do anything other than shove or fold and villain would be calling any shove.
 
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Shove flop, not like he is folding with what you have behind.
 
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This situation seems like it may be opponent-dependent. Since he seldom gets out of line, we can figure he's unlikely to have air, so the key question seems what hands if any he'll fold if we shove that he'd pay us off with later if we just call his raise.

For instance, is he capable of taking calling pre- then raising the flop with Ax or a middle pair like 88? Would he fold such hands if we shove? And if so, can we get value from those hands later? Plus what turn and/or river cards might kill our action?

With only the info given, I lean toward calling his flop raise. I suspect he'll get it in later with most if not all hands that will call a shove, and calling retains some chance to extract value from any hands he'd fold.
 
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You say he plays for a living, so I'm assuming he's a really solid player. That being said, would a solid player stick that much of his stack in on the flop with air? Doubt it. The Ace high board smacks your UTG range, so he's likely trying to get value from strong Ax hands. It's unlikely he slow played AA preflop, and I'm not sure a solid player is calling UTG's raise from early position with A7/A5.

Get it in on the flop. I doubt he's folding.


BTW: Really odd that he checks the turn. It means he either did call preflop with A7/A5 or is checking a set for some reason. He either had a really spazzy/spewy moment (which happens to everyone), or he's bullshitting you when he says he plays for a living.
 
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