$200 NLHE Full Ring: Could you fold AA on this flop?

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Just got home from playing 1/2 live so sorry if this is hard to read I'll do my best:
Reads on villian: generally tight, passive player.

I picked up AA UTG I made it 3.5x
Folds round, BB calls.

Flop($15)
9 T J all clubs (I know right:()
Villian checked...
I potted it...
Then villian over bet to $45... Were both had about 150-180 behind.

I tanked for ages then folded. Villian didn't show at the time but he told me what he had afterwards...:rolleyes:

Thoughts? Looking at it now it was probably an easy fold actually? Thanks CC
 
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I think it was a smart lady own. If you had the ace of clubs, you could have gambled (implied odds), but still correct to fold here. Better to lose a small pot, than lose a big one chasing.

I ran a calculator App on the hand, assuming that villain held a K-x suited. You are a 3 to 1 dog (only 23%) to win, and that is assuming you hold the ace of clubs.

I am also assuming villain never check/raises you with a straight flush here. He would be a fool to make you fold.

Good lay down.
 
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Beanfacekilla said:
I think it was a smart lady own. If you had the ace of clubs, you could have gambled (implied odds), but still correct to fold here. Better to lose a small pot, than lose a big one chasing.

I ran a calculator app on the hand, assuming that villain held a K-x suited. You are a 3 to 1 dog (only 23%) to win, and that is assuming you hold the ace of clubs.

I am also assuming villain never check/raises you with a straight flush here. He would be a fool to make you fold.

Good lay down.
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Thanks for the reply, No Sorry should EDIT: held two red aces, yeah basically I ran the same kinda math in my head at the time considering all ranges which was what contributed to my fold. Probably one of the worst boards for aces.... :rolleyes:
 
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Fold, if he has an open ended straight flush draw then you're in bad shape anyway and if he has the flush/straight you're dead. If you had a Ac then it would be alot harder decision.
 
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Yeah good fold, but might I ask why you bet pot on this flop? If you understand that it hits his calling range extremely hard then were you just trying to get him to fold? Because an alternative line would be to simply check/call as long as his bets aren't too big, because a board like that turns your hand into a bluff catcher basically, with some showdown value. And if you said he is very tight/passive then I would probably check flop and maybe call turn bet then fold river if he barrels again and our hand is unimproved.
 
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frozensprx said:
Yeah good fold, but might I ask why you bet pot on this flop? If you understand that it hits his calling range extremely hard then were you just trying to get him to fold? Because an alternative line would be to simply check/call as long as his bets aren't too big, because a board like that turns your hand into a bluff catcher basically, with some showdown value. And if you said he is very tight/passive then I would probably check flop and maybe call turn bet then fold river if he barrels again and our hand is unimproved.
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I think a bet is totally in order here. Probably not full pot though. I would bet half pot. If he doesn't have the flush, or draw, he folds. Checking will open up the opportunity for villain to bluff you, when he doesn't have the flush.

Just my $0.02 here. But I would bet the flop too to see where the opponent stands. It is fairly unlikely villain flopped a flush here.
 
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Where did you find a 1/2 game where all but 1 person folds to a $7 open?
 
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WVHillbilly said:
Where did you find a 1/2 game where all but 1 person folds to a $7 open?
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LOL. So true. I have found myself on really nitty tables recently (perhaps it was because I am an extremely tight player) where people would actually fold to an open for $7. But mostly a $7 open will get at least 5 callers.
 
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In your situation I would of check/folded not to put in the pot first.

Like stated earlier it is best to fold a small pot instead of chasing the pot down and losing more

Saying that if the guy he just limped after your check then I probably would of raised his limp as he might of not have had the flush draw.

Horrible flop though
 
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It looks like a fold esp since your not even holding one club but to assume the villain has a made flush is debatable. he certainly might have made this bet just holding the ace of clubs or trips or QK but in all of these cases you are more likely to lose so yea,i guess fold and pick a better spot.
 
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If you had the A of clubs would have made a little sense, but, otherwise, fold
 
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You say he's passive. Just check it down all the way, maybe call a street max.
 
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Hmm. Everyone is saying fold. Good. It's not close.

RodneyC86 said:
You say he's passive. Just check it down all the way, maybe call a street max.
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This isn't how you'd extract value with premium hands versus passive players.
 
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With 3 clubs and 3 to a straight I would fold. Its an ugly flop for two red aces so we just have to mutter our expletive under our breath and just wait for the next one.

What did he say he had? I guess it doesn't matter because unless I see the cards I don't believe anything they say about their holdings.
 
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Lol. Check on the wettest board ever? More like, bet huge and chuckle when he turns over a bare flush draw that missed on the river...

Bet/fold is sooooo much better than checking the flop.
 
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Beanfacekilla said:
I think a bet is totally in order here. Probably not full pot though. I would bet half pot. If he doesn't have the flush, or draw, he folds. Checking will open up the opportunity for villain to bluff you, when he doesn't have the flush.

Just my $0.02 here. But I would bet the flop too to see where the opponent stands. It is fairly unlikely villain flopped a flush here.
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Last time I checked when you have a good showdown value hand, you WANT to induce the villain to try and bluff with his inferior hand. In this particular hand if I bet the flop I would bet smaller to get value from villain's straight or flush draws. However, since you said villain is tight/passive it is very unlikely he is raising his draw, so it is more likely he has either a made straight or flush. The large flop bet really doesn't accomplish much because he would never fold any better hands than yours and by making such a large bet he will also rarely continue with worse hands. I think some of the other posters are giving advice on playing this hand in the most profitable way vs 1 particular hand, as opposed to playing it in the most profitable way against a range of hands that the villian will have in this spot.
 
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frozensprx said:
Last time I checked when you have a good showdown value hand, you WANT to induce the villain to try and bluff with his inferior hand. In this particular hand if I bet the flop I would bet smaller to get value from villain's straight or flush draws. However, since you said villain is tight/passive it is very unlikely he is raising his draw, so it is more likely he has either a made straight or flush. The large flop bet really doesn't accomplish much because he would never fold any better hands than yours and by making such a large bet he will also rarely continue with worse hands. I think some of the other posters are giving advice on playing this hand in the most profitable way vs 1 particular hand, as opposed to playing it in the most profitable way against a range of hands that the villian will have in this spot.
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Fair enough.
 
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Thanks for the feedback guys villian CLAIMS to have 3 jacks... so I chose to believe him
 
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