$200 NLHE Full Ring: Big draw with A-Qs

I just got home from the casino. I got involved in a giant pot, and one the of the guys involved in the hand criticized me after the hand for calling all the way down. It really got me thinking... I would appreciate your input CC.

I will try to list as many details as I can, but I can't remember them all to a tee.

Hero is on the button with ~$300 chips
UTG has $115 chips
UTG +5 has ~$330

A few limpers by the time action reaches me. I look down at

I raise to $17. UTG calls, UTG +5 calls.

Flop -

UTG checks.
UTG +5 bets $50
I call.
UTG reraises all in for $98
UTG +5 calls $48 more
I call.

Turn is a blank, no heart, no 10.

UTG is already all in
UTG +5 bets $100 (about $460 dead in pot now)
I snap call.

River , giving me broadway.

UTG jams.
I snap with my remaining ~$80

I wasn't getting great odds on the flop. However, turn is good odds at ~4.5:1

I was just wondering if this is a good way to get my chips in, or just a donkey-kong suck out.

Please give me your opinions CC.

Looks good to me and your odds were not that bad, especially if these guys don't see obvious draws and keep jamming regardless (implied odds FTW).

If you had 300$ and you risked 220$* to get 445$ profit (+ the blinds and limper money) and you had 12 outs for the nuts (9 flush outs + 3 non-flush tens) which give you 25% chance to win.

This is not great but you called incrementally and not in one lump so I think this was OK overall.

Lets wait for better player to comment though

* based on what you write here, you had 80$ out of starting 300$ on the river, but the math does not add up correctly, 30$ is missing somewhere

LD1977 said:

Looks good to me and your odds were not that bad, especially if these guys don't see obvious draws and keep jamming regardless (implied odds FTW).

If you had 300$ and you risked 220$* to get 445$ profit (+ the blinds and limper money) and you had 12 outs for the nuts (9 flush outs + 3 non-flush tens) which give you 25% chance to win.

This is not great but you called incrementally and not in one lump so I think this was OK overall.

Lets wait for better player to comment though

* based on what you write here, you had 80$ out of starting 300$ on the river, but the math does not add up correctly, 30$ is missing somewhere

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Maybe I messed up with recollection.
$17 pre
$98 flop
$100 turn
$80 river.

$295 total.

UTG +5 still had about ~$25-30 after hand

Easy getting the price to call down. I get this in on the flop if im honest.

Yes just get it in on the flop, such a dream flop.

I thought about jamming on the flop.

I was still foggy with the ranges of my opponents.

However, UTG held K-J off. UTG +5 held K-J suited, so they both flopped top two.

And UTG jammed flop anyways (after checking initially). But I am referring to my decision to call 1st bet post flop from UTG +5.

I thought about raising, but UTG +5 looked very confident. He looked like he hit the flop hard, so I figured he would not let up anyways. Implied odds......

UTG was all the way at the other end of the table, and it was tough to see him, and to read body language.

I was content at the time calling off increments.

geez, ive been so cold of late i would of peed my pants to have that poc+flop, regardless my chances. i would of been ready to pickup my coat and start that long lonely walk to the parkinglot though prior to the river card just knowing the guy has one of the paints.

I agree with LD.....u kept getting sucked in by bets that were low enough to call.....then by the time a large bet was thrown u were committed.

Ye GII OTF, you have like 13 outs vs almost everything

Just to give you an impression how strong you were on the flop.

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And that they only limpcalled your PFR, I think they almost never have a set of kings or jacks in their range so the only set you really have to worry about is 66 and even than I think your hand is good enough to go allin with it on the flop.

Ok thank you very much for the input. I thought it was a decent spot to find myself in. But dude was STEAMED after the hand.

Beanfacekilla said:

Ok thank you very much for the input. I thought it was a decent spot to find myself in. But dude was STEAMED after the hand.

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If you 3 played the hand, I don't agree how you played it after the flop(it isn't terrible but not optimal), but their play preflop was way worse imo and than one of them berate you (rofl)

MasterOfDisaster said:

If you 3 played the hand, I don't agree how you played it after the flop, but their play preflop was way worse imo and than one of them berate you (rofl)

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I'm sorry, maybe I am too tired. I don't understand this part.

Beanfacekilla said:

I'm sorry, maybe I am too tired. I don't understand this part.

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Your calling line on the flop and turn wasn't the best line possible, but not terrible as well.

But with them (open)limp and than call your preflop raise with KJ <--- That's a bad fishy play and than berate you of bad play is the funniest part.

He only got mad coz he lost the pot hes a fish they complain its what they do, he played it bad

Calling is still +EV but obv jamming is better.

Yeah and fish live always complain when you chase. I remember one guy that I played had a go at me for calling his all-in with an OESD, I was getting the odds easily plus my overcard was good.
I just said if you think I played that badly please get some more money out and sit back down.

MasterOfDisaster said:

Your calling line on the flop and turn wasn't the best line possible, but not terrible as well.

But with them (open)limp call your preflop raise with KJ <--- That's a bad fishy play and than berate you of bad play is the funniest part.

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When the hand went to showdown dude says something like "How the hell can you call off $300 to chase that?"

I say something like "Dude I had a str8 draw and a flush draw, plus it was a huge pot. If I hit, I hit big."

Dude says "Yeah but still I don't see how you can call for all that money...."

I say something like "Well how can you call pre for $17 with K-J????"

"it was suited, and that was preflop. I'm talking about when the flop came." dude says

I say "It's my money dude, I'll play however I like. Maybe you shouldn't be calling big raises OOP with a rookie hand like K-J suited."

Then he just says something like "well I played my cards, and you played yours..... Nice hand."

I didn't even care, I was not mad. Let him cry I thought. Dealer just shipped me a $700 + pot.

youregoodmate said:

Calling is still +EV but obv jamming is better.

Yeah and fish live always complain when you chase. I remember one guy that I played had a go at me for calling his all-in with an OESD, I was getting the odds easily plus my overcard was good.
I just said if you think I played that badly please get some more money out and sit back down.

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LOL.

Beanfacekilla said:

"it was suited, and that was preflop. ..." dude says

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'Nuff said.

P.S. I called a single minraise recently with KJo in BB but that was a bit different, I was last to act and I called 0.02 to play 0.09 pot. You can see that hand here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-full-ring-tpgk-flop-218792/ and yes I played that terribly.

LD1977 said:

'Nuff said.

P.S. I called a single minraise recently with KJo in BB but that was a bit different, I was last to act and I called 0.02 to play 0.09 pot. You can see that hand here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-full-ring-tpgk-flop-218792/ and yes I played that terribly.

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I had a look at the thread. It was a good read, thanks for posting it.

No problem. My guy even played Aces like he was set mining them, amazing scenes all around

Yeah I would have never put him on aces. That is wierd how he min-raises UTG with them, like he wants 5 callers or something.

Yeah, incredible. I wonder what he would do if his 3rd Ace didn't come on the river, seriously, I think I would have had fold equity

Anyway, about your guys, youregoodmate nailed the proper response.

It is a common occurrence that bad players think they lose cuz the other player is stupid and "got lucky."

Generally if you have fold equity, it's fine to go all in. But with no fold equity - as is the case here given the reaction of the villain - it is ok to just call down sometimes. Not the greatest of plays, but not bad either.