$200 NLHE Full Ring: Was my bet and push appropriate?

$200 NL HE Full Ring: Was my bet and push appropriate?

Here are the facts:

This was a full ring game at Doyle' Room.

$1 - $2 NL Holdem

I do not use a HUD so I have no stats, I was only in the room for about 25 hands before this situation.

I cannot find a hand converter for Doyle's room so bear with this:

If you do not want to read the mess below, let me give you the idea:

I have pocket kings. Infront of me there is one min raise to $4 and two callers. I raise to $30. The small blind re-raises me to $56. All original callers fold and I push all in...was this a good move?




and#1971014034000793 - Seville 14034 -- $1/$2 NL Hold'em -- 2009/08/28 - 07:42:43
Seat 1: ckat***1 ($220.60 in chips) Seat 2: Psyc***2 ($103.66 in chips) Seat 3: HELL***3 ($457.20 in chips) Seat 4: Sile***4 ($525.40 in chips) Seat 5: shootwillus1 ($141.30 in chips) DEALER Seat 7: Frid***7 ($204.45 in chips) Seat 8: Lars***8 ($200 in chips) Seat 9: pato***9 ($112.50 in chips) Seat 10: dUal***10 ($212 in chips) pato***9: posts small blind $1 dUal***10: posts big blind $2 Dealt to shootwillus1 [Kh,Kc] ckat***1: folds Psyc***2: raises to $4 HELL***3: calls $4 Sile***4: calls $4 shootwillus1: raises to $30 Frid***7: folds pato***9: raises to $56 dUal***10: folds Psyc***2: folds HELL***3: folds Sile***4: folds shootwillus1: is all in 111.3000 pato***9: is all in 56.5000

Yes.

on 30bet call 26$ after re-raise is absolutely correct, you were in good position. nothing bad mybe only your reraise to 30$, dunno mybe that was too much but if you have callers pre-flop then why not.

Just an update:

I lost this hand...the small blind had AA. However, my belief, and i think I am right...he really could be holding anything. He could be re-raising in the belief i am stealing and he has air/sutied connecters/small pockets....really anything.

I think my push was appropriate as there is only one hand (AA) that I am scared of and that is only part of villains range...

But, can I really put him on AA here...is AA really the only thing he can have? Obviously AA is in his range (its in everyone's range all the time)....but, with KK, should I be that scared of the all in pre-flop?

I don't know if i could have done anything different here...the flop had no aces, and I'd have been all in against the AA at that point.

I don't think there was really any way I could have layed this hand down at any point.

The only way you could narrow his range specifically to AA is if you had played him an enormous number of hands and knew that he only takes that action w AA. Since virtually everyone will raise from the sb w a broader range than AA, you could not have narrowed his range that much. It's a cooler, it happens (3x to me today), don't worry about it.

Going all in with kings vs aces pre-flop is never a mistake.


You just can't put a man on aces pre-flop and be right enough of the time to make folding a good option.

These are the instances where single tabling helps out. Is the SB a solid player? After 25 hands without stats and observation that is hard to find out. If the player is solid, his min raise is out there for a reason. If he had raised the standard 3.5x or higher I am all-in but a mini raise gets my attention. He could very well be stealing the pot but he's gotta know you wont fold to a min raise in position. I would call and play the flop.

Not that it mattered, but I also think the $30 raise was a tad high. It gives away your hand its like you are saying I want to end the action here or charge you a high price for the flop. $20 would have sufficed but thats debatable.

BLieve said:

These are the instances where single tabling helps out. Is the SB a solid player? After 25 hands without stats and observation that is hard to find out. If the player is solid, his min raise is out there for a reason. If he had raised the standard 3.5x or higher I am all-in but a mini raise gets my attention. He could very well be stealing the pot but he's gotta know you wont fold to a min raise in position. I would call and play the flop.

We have the second best possible hand preflop. Why in the world don't we want to get our money in now? The only reason we wouldn't want to play for stacks pf here is if we know sb has AA, which is op's real question here, and the consensus answer here is "no". Say you're thinking the minraise means he definitely has AA - which I don't agree with - but that would make this a clear fold unless you feel like setmining behind a cold 4bet, which is not a profitable play.

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A min raise from a solid player (Key here is we read him as a solid player) from the SB in this instance COULD mean AA, it should at the least raise suspicion. I give it a 75% chance he has AA or KK with 50% at AA since we are holding KK. Now you are right we absolutely cannot fold the 2nd best hand preflop. So lets play the flop in position, what do we have to lose? If he has Aces we are destined to lose it all anyway. But while the SB would fold to a shove PF without AA or KK. If the SB had indeed made the min raise PF with something other than AA KK we might be able to get some value from him when he bets/calls the flop, turn, river. Then again he might catch a set but I think the possibility of getting a bit more value on non Aces and Kings is worth that risk.

Honestly in a game situation without the time to analyze things, I would have probably shoved preflop as well. And this is just a straight cooler. You have to be God to avoid this.