I'm going to dissect your post point by point and give analysis. I apologize in advance if I come across dickish and brutal. Just want to give you honest feedback.
This was live casino cash game again. I was in the button with JQo. I had roughly $110 stack.
You are at 55bb which is on the borderline of being short stacked. Short stack play is decidedly different than normal play but I'll leave that for later.
What is important to note is that thus far you've yet to include ANY meaningful information on your villains or table tendencies. Poker is all about adjusting to the situation and exploiting the leaks of your villains. How can you exploit their leaks if you aren't paying attention to them and figuring out the table dynamics and villain tendencies???
This was live casino cash game again. I was in the button with JQo. I had roughly $110 stack. Everyone limped. It was a limped pot. So i decided to call $2 from a button. Pot didn't get raised.....
In general this is your first mistake. You are in position and have QJ. I easily raise in this spot 75% of the time depending on my image and table dynamics. A raise gets a bit tricky here since you are at 55bb but I'd probably have raised it to $12 with a plan to c-bet $15 on pretty much all flops.
...flop came out 6d7cQd. Everyone checked around and since I have the best position around.
The question you need to ask yourself is how are you taking advantage of having the best position? By limping preflop? What's the point of having the best position if you don't use it. For shtts and giggles try the following experiment. For your next few sessions, commit to raising 75% of the time from the CO or BTN with a range of JT+, 88-TT (obviously you should be raising 100% with JJ+, AJ+) and then if you get 2 callers or less c-bet 100% of all flops 1/2 pot and see what results you get.
....flop came out 6d7cQd. Everyone checked around and since I have the best position around, I betted out $5 to see where I stand..
Yuck. This is something that all fish seem to do. Betting to see where you are at is not winning poker. Bet to preserve
equity. Bet to extract value. Bet to establish your image, strength and line you chose to rep. Bet to get weaker hands to call or better hands to fold. Bet to balance. Bet to deceive. All of the above are legitimate reasons to bet. But betting to "see where you are at" is a losing mindset and too easy to exploit. The only saving grace is that live players at the 1/2nl level by and large have so many leaks they don't exploit other players who "bet to see where they are at".
Incidentally, on this board, bet around 2/3 pot to full pot on flop.
...So some players, I'm putting them on straight draws, flush draws, middle pair, bottom pair, top pair, etc..
This seems about right, since it was a multiway limped pot, ranges are going to be pretty wide
...Turn comes out Js. I got two pairs. 1st caller of the flop donk bets out $15 and 2 other callers call. I decided to shove all-in because pot was over $70, and since their calling range is wide to hit their draws.
I love it, easy shove
...Turn comes out Js. I got two pairs. 1st caller of the flop donk bets out $15 and 2 other callers call. I decided to shove all-in because pot was over $70, and since their calling range is wide to hit their draws, I figured that this was the best time to shove to price out their draws.
This is the absolute positively incorrect way to think about this situation. The hardest things that beginners and recreational players have trouble understanding is that you never ever ever want to price out draws or push drawers out of a pot. No no no...
What you want is to get drawers to call for more than their hands are worth.
If I was in a hand, eff stacks $200 and I had AK
board ($35)
for the sake of argument lets say we know our villain has
:ts: and is on the draw. We know this villain loves to draw and he will call any bet up to $100. So we know that if we bet $100 he will call but if we bet $101 he will fold. What should we do?
We should bet $100 because we WANT him to call!
using poker stove we see that in the above spot we have 75% equity
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
3,011,567 games 1.484 secs 2,029,357 games/sec
Board: Ad 9s 7s 3c
Dead:
equity win
Hand 0: 74.973% { AsKh }
Hand 1: 25.027% { JsTs }
if we bet $100 and V calls then our EV works out to
EV = 75% x ($100 + $35) = 75% x $135 = $101
However, if we had bet $101 and V folds then we only win $35
So, as relates to your hand. Your shove is 100% correct however your reason for shoving is not correct. Out intent is not to push out draws but rather our intent is to get all the draws to call for incorrect
odds which 1/2nl live players love to do.
to be fair, you didn't exactly say you were trying to push them out, you said you were trying to "price them out". However, in the live game, when players say "price out draws" they normally mean "push out draws".
I just want to clarify as to why the above is the wrong mindset.
The reason you are shoving this turn is because you have monster equity and it is likely you will get called by all types of lesser hands such as draws and weaker two pairs or even pair + flush draw combos... that is why we shove here.
... two guys folded and last caller instant called. He rolls over 66. River was 5 or 4 but doesn't matter because either way, i lost the hand....
Here is some food for thought. In order to profitably setmine you need a MINIMUM of 8:1 odds. Standard convention though is to get at least 15:1 odds because you aren't going to stack off all the time you hit a set, that is, sometimes you will hit a set and no one else has anything and they fold...
So, when you limp for $2 with $110 behind what odds are you giving to your villains to set mine?
You are giving them 55:1 odds which is much greater than the 15:1 odds they need to profitably set mine.
However, if you had raised to $12 then your villains would have been getting less than 10:1 odds meaning that for the most part they are now INCORRECT in calling you to set mine against you...
Overall, the hand played out fine and is just a cooler. When you are relatively short stacked there isn't much in the way of "reads" that will enable you to get off top two pair when the pot is roughly equal to 30% or greater of effective stacks behind.
I know I gave you some grief over not raising pre but that isn't a glaring leak. raising is more a function of your image and table dynamics and you didn't really go into detail about that. but in general, you need to be raising at least 50% of the time from the CO or BTN when you have JT-AT, QJ, KJ and you should be raising 100% of the time when you have AJ+, KQ