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Okay so last night was at the local club playing a live 1/2 game.

I had QTo in the cutoff.

Preflop:
SB1$ , BB2$ , UTG limps , fold, fold, limp,limp, fold, Hero limp, Button limps. (SB completes and BB checks)

(14$) Flop comes Kh, As, 9h

it gets checked all the way around

Turn : Jh

again checks all the way to me so I am like F that i ain't betting for anybody and check

Button bets 25$ and it folds around to me. . . I think for soooo long and finally convinced myself to fold and show him my straight. He agreed to show me and showed me Ah Ac for top set with tons of outs. . . .

Was this a bad fold? I didn't have much information on the guy I had only been sitting for less then a hour and only had 2$ in the pot.

Any advice on how to play that turn card would be appreciated because I was totally stumped on whether I should bet after it checked all the way to me. It's like I was way to convinced that somebody had the flush.

Pretty much I convinced myself I was crushed and decided to go with my gut unfortunately this time I was wrong.

Who knows though he had like the whole deck as outs.
 
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:D redwards redwards redwards, were you drinking methanol last night?
 
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acky100 said:
:D redwards redwards redwards, were you drinking methanol last night?
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What can I say i'm a terrible player:D

best part about it though is most of these people at this game are pretty wealthy and much worse then I am. There are a few solid players though.
 
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bet the turn theres a ton of worse hands that can call, your logic about him having the whole deck as outs is a bit dodgy because youre thinking about if he has AA which is rare, when he has AA he has a ton of outs sure, but there is still a lot more cards that won't help him so you should bet anyways

Most of the time you're crushing him here, so you should bet to charge his heart draws, top pairs, pairs or whatever he can have plenty of and wont fold, then if the river is not a heart you should bet biggish again to try and get a call by any pairs/top pairs/two pairs/sets.... flushes will sometimes show up but you'll soon know about it if they have a flush, you play poker to win money, cant win if you dont put money in the middle with the nuts! :D
 
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acky100 said:
bet the turn theres a ton of worse hands that can call, your logic about him having the whole deck as outs is a bit dodgy because youre thinking about if he has AA which is rare, when he has AA he has a ton of outs sure, but there is still a lot more cards that won't help him so you should bet anyways

Most of the time you're crushing him here, so you should bet to charge his heart draws, top pairs, pairs or whatever he can have plenty of and wont fold, then if the river is not a heart you should bet biggish again to try and get a call by any pairs/top pairs/two pairs/sets.... flushes will sometimes show up but you'll soon know about it if they have a flush, you play poker to win money, cant win if you dont put money in the middle with the nuts! :D
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Just couldn't get it out of my head that I was dead to any flush but yeah I was like ****kkkkkkk and so confused that I figured before I get outplayed on the river I should just fold. I should have known better for sure but rookie move i'll get over it and improve :party:
 
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Fold pre. Or at least raise.
 
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Scourrge said:
Fold pre. Or at least raise.
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Thought about folding pre but the pot looked nice and they BB seemed ready to check before it even got to him so I just limped. also lol'd how the dude with AA just smooth limps on the button and checks a set on the button after the flop that had multiple draws.

either way I knew I played it wrong i got no heart :confused:
 
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Not about heart, just gonna be tough to play in a limped pot. Even when you flop or turn big (as you did) it's gonna be difficult to win any kind of meaningful pot. I advocate folding.

But at least if you raise, you've created a pot of a more meaningful size, and with the initiative it will be potentially easier to just steal it post flop when you miss.
 
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I'd have probably fast-played that, but then again I have problems with playing too loose rather than too tight. :D

But... yeah. Broadway gapper on the CO? I raise. Double gutter flop? I open big.
 
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Aleksei said:
I'd have probably fast-played that, but then again I have problems with playing too loose rather than too tight. :D

But... yeah. Broadway gapper on the CO? I raise. Double gutter flop? I open big.
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There's no double gutter on the flop, and betting it as played would be a mistake.

Bet the turn ofc.
 
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Thanks for info definitely appreciated.

I can't stop lol'ing at how badly I played this hand. Lesson learned, notes taken. thank you all very much.
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and **** this 24 hour limit lol what the ****
 
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redwards92 said:
and **** this 24 hour limit lol what the ****
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It goes away when you reach a certain number of posts (thought it was 70, but not sure).

If you're not over it yet, you will be soon :)
 
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I probably wouldn't have fold and I certainly wouldn't have fold if one of your cards was a heart.
 
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acky100 said:
bet the turn theres a ton of worse hands that can call, your logic about him having the whole deck as outs is a bit dodgy because youre thinking about if he has AA which is rare, when he has AA he has a ton of outs sure, but there is still a lot more cards that won't help him so you should bet anyways

Most of the time you're crushing him here, so you should bet to charge his heart draws, top pairs, pairs or whatever he can have plenty of and wont fold, then if the river is not a heart you should bet biggish again to try and get a call by any pairs/top pairs/two pairs/sets.... flushes will sometimes show up but you'll soon know about it if they have a flush, you play poker to win money, cant win if you dont put money in the middle with the nuts! :D
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Ditto
 
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redwards92 said:
Okay so last night was at the local club playing a live 1/2 game.

I had QTo in the cutoff.

Preflop:
SB1$ , BB2$ , UTG limps , fold, fold, limp,limp, fold, Hero limp, Button limps. (SB completes and BB checks)

(14$) Flop comes Kh, As, 9h

it gets checked all the way around

Turn : Jh

again checks all the way to me so I am like F that i ain't betting for anybody and check

Button bets 25$ and it folds around to me. . . I think for soooo long and finally convinced myself to fold and show him my straight. He agreed to show me and showed me Ah Ac for top set with tons of outs. . . .

Was this a bad fold? I didn't have much information on the guy I had only been sitting for less then a hour and only had 2$ in the pot.

Any advice on how to play that turn card would be appreciated because I was totally stumped on whether I should bet after it checked all the way to me. It's like I was way to convinced that somebody had the flush.

Pretty much I convinced myself I was crushed and decided to go with my gut unfortunately this time I was wrong.

Who knows though he had like the whole deck as outs.
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Ofcourse it was a bad play, but not as bad as the play by the button. You're only mistake was to check on the turn. If you had raised the turn then AA won't re-raise you, he would have just called because straight/flush beats him.
Now going back to the button's play - I feel like a daddy and I'm ready to scold him. First of all, you don't limp on AA's/KK's (I even bet preflop for 10's). Secondly, You don't check if you a set on the flop especially a top set.
If you don't follow these, you're inviting trouble to you're own. So, it was bad play by the button.
An important tip for you Rewards92, If you put someone on a top set and at the same time you have a top straight, then only thing you should been afraid of was a Full House, which in your case there wasn't. So it wasn't a bad news for you, it was good. You should have called $25 on turn. Doing so, you would have known whether there is a full house/flush made on river. It would have made your play easier and you could have taught the button a lesson.

And I Quote,
"Limping on Aces is a crime. Please don't try this at Home, School, Bars, casinos or Anywhere"

GOOD LUCK IN FUTURE! :)
 
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Ofcourse it was a bad play, but not as bad as the play by the button. You're only mistake was to check on the turn. If you had raised the turn then AA won't re-raise you, he would have just called because straight/flush beats him.
Now going back to the button's play - I feel like a daddy and I'm ready to scold him. First of all, you don't limp on AA's/KK's (I even bet preflop for 10's). Secondly, You don't check if you a set on the flop especially a top set.
If you don't follow these, you're inviting trouble to you're own. So, it was bad play by the button.
An important tip for you Rewards92, If you put someone on a top set and at the same time you have a top straight, then only thing you should been afraid of was a Full House, which in your case there wasn't. So it wasn't a bad news for you, it was good. You should have called $25 on turn. Doing so, you would have known whether there is a full house/flush made on river. It would have made your play easier and you could have taught the button a lesson.

And I Quote,
"Limping on Aces is a crime. Please don't try this at Home, School, Bars, Casinos or Anywhere"

GOOD LUCK IN FUTURE! :)
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Yeah I actually didn't put him on top set I figured he must have been the dude out of all the limps with some type of suited connector.

Either way I now realize how badly I played this and thanks to everyone who posted I can become a better player. :cool:
 
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well it sounds like this was a big multiway pot(as are common in live games) so you didn't play it too terribly by just limping in along with everyone else. As everyone is saying I would definitely bet the turn, but as you understand it is more common for someone to have a flush in these multiways but don't play scared. You can bet turn and bet river and fold to a shove
 
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Again, maybe this one is my inner donk, but considering the action on the flop checked all around to you, I would have at least tossed out a token bet, to separate out the men from the boys, as it were. A flop like that will scare off all the fishermen if there is any money involved, and you could have perhaps gotten a better scope of the BB's hand. A bet isn't terrible in this position either, because you had the inside straight draw(not great, but okay), AND your bet could also be taken as a flush draw, not a horrible situation.

Putting that out there, the BB is likely still to call, but on the turn when the J that not only completes your straight (decent hand), it also puts the potential out there for you holding a flush, both hands better than the BB, which means his next bet might have been $10 or $12 or something, instead of a bet that is almost two times the pot as it was.

Flat checking gains you no information if you are last to act. It says nothing as well, and this is a case where saying something might have helped a bit.
 
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