$200 NLHE Full Ring: AQs in position facing 4 bet shove

Hi guys I played an interesting hand yesterday at a 200NL table and would like some feedback on the way I played it.

I was holding A:club: Q:club: on the BTN. The action goes as follows:

UTG opens for $7, Villain (MP) calls, Hero (BTN) raises to $20, BB calls, UTG calls and Villain calls.

The flop comes: 4:diamond: A:spade: 8:diamond: $81 in pot

UTG bets $25, Villain (MP) calls, Hero raises to $100, BB tank folds, UTG folds, Villain 4 bet shoves for my entire stack.

Villain and I both started the hand with 150BB. Villain is very loose somewhat aggressive. This table is very loose hence the 3 bet with AQs on the BTN.

My concern here is the dynamic of this hand. If I flat the $25 flop bet I am letting everyone get priced in with their draws and weaker holdings so the big raise serves the purpose of pricing the other players out of the hand but once villain shoves for about $120 more I am put to a difficult decision.

If my calculations serve me right there is over $400($426) in the pot, so for you to call another $120, you were getting almost 4to1. Excellent odds to make the call in that position. You committed your stack when you raised to $100, so not only are you getting pot odds, you're pot committed.

P.S Maybe villain is jamming with a flush draw there considering how loose you described him. I am interested to hear the ending results of this hand.

You need to be 3 betting way bigger pre, I'd say around $32 in this situation. Honestly the raise on the flop is pretty questionable. It sucks that UTG makes such an obvious blocker bet, but it's better to peal for a blank and GII on the turn. Any raise and we're opening ourselves up to a shove and we pretty much have to call the shove b/c diamonds are in Vill's range...which is exactly what happens, and we pretty much have to call. Not surprised when he shows up with 88 or 44 here.

dealio96 said:

If my calculations serve me right there is over $400($426) in the pot, so for you to call another $120, you were getting almost 4to1. Excellent odds to make the call in that position. You committed your stack when you raised to $100, so not only are you getting pot odds, you're pot committed.

P.S Maybe villain is jamming with a flush draw there considering how loose you described him. I am interested to hear the ending results of this hand.

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Villain showed A8 for 2 pair ...

Raise more preflop. On very loose tables, you often have to make overbets to fold anyone out. I'd probably at least raise to $30 or $35. Live 200NL players are terrible and always believe they're "priced in," so it is important to properly size your preflop bets/raises based on table dynamics.

On the flop, I like the raise. You don't want to keep the pot multiway on a wet board. You're probably not folding against a loose opponent in that spot. If he's got any draws or weaker Ax hands in his range, you have to call.

Raise more pre, AINEC. $28 at minimum.

OTF... Villain is rarely 3bet/shoving FD's there, unless you have some kind of history with him. If he was that aggro with FD's he would of popped UTG's bet. I don't think we are ever seeing worse than AQ show up here after he flats and then 3bet/jams on you. Without the history it's spew to call it off here... Whole hand is played bad though, you might have to call it off now.

Oh and you are facing a 3bet shove OTF, not a 4bet. (V1 - 1st, Hero - 2nd, V2- 3rd)

Looks like a Axd to me AT,AJ etc.

This smells like sets/2pairs all day long. Less likely to be a FD .

His blocker/weak bet sizing is annoying because we kind of "have to" 3bet this flop and then we are left in a tough spot. ( cause we are semi-commited)

vinylspiros said:

This smells like sets/2pairs all day long. Less likely to be a FD .

His blocker/weak bet sizing is annoying because we kind of "have to" 3bet this flop and then we are left in a tough spot. ( cause we are semi-commited)

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It's a combo TP with FD all day long. Villain at one of two different thoughts.
1) I have TP with the nut flush draw. I'll just call and let the donkey behind me come in the pot. I'll just drag them along and make more $$$ so i can cash out and rub on my titties.
2) I have TP with the nut flush draw. I really don't like my kicker though, but i'm never folding this hand. I'll call and bink my flush or make two pair and win all the money. What? The other player raised he must have a good hand, lets play!!! So i can cash out and rub on my titties.

Villain's flop shove is a 3-bet, not a 4-bet. I think raising the flop sucks but once you do you're committed but dead vs. his range.

I misread HH I thought mp back raised. So yes UTG's range crushes us.

All in all, it seems as though we are overplaying our hand here.