$200 NLHE Full Ring: AK in 3-bet pot facing shove

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$200 NL HE Full Ring: AK in 3-bet pot facing shove

Reads: Not much on villian. He hasn't showed down many hands. A few times, he has overbet the pot. He has limped quite a bit.

Stacks: I have $300, villian has $235.

Preflop, villian limps in UTG+3. UTG+4 raises to $5. CO calls. I raise to $25 with A
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from the SB. Villian calls, everyone else folds. Flop comes K
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J
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2
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. I bet $40 into a $60 pot. Villian shoves. It's $170 to call.
 
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Is villain a really bad fish then? Limping a lot? :s

Seems like an easy call to me... Even against a good player, they could be shoving a flush draw or OESD as a bluff... only 1 combo of KK and 3 combos of JJ that have you crushed. Oh and AA of course, 3 combos of that. Gotta go with AK if it hits in a 3-bet pot though, unless you have some super read.
 
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Snap call plz. The SPR is less than 5.0, so we're auto-stacking TPTK.

Also, making the 3-bet larger can't hurt.
 
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I agree you have to call there given the possible draws out there
 
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K, I guess I can call it a cooler. I snap called and villian shows the last hand I expected to see, pocket kings.

How about this hand: I also have AK offsuit in this hand.

Reads: Villian is kinda loose preflop, limps kinda alot, is aggro but not stupid aggro. I've played w/ him for hours now and I've got a real TAG image.

Stacks: I have $150, villian has $200.

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, UTG+2 limps, MP limps, villian limps in MP, CO limps, I raise to $20 with AK offsuit in the SB. Villian calls, CO calls. Flop comes K J 2 (two diamonds and I have the A of diamonds). I bet $40 into a pot of about $70. Villian calls. Turn is Q (non diamond). I shove.

That hand seem ok? Bet sizing ok as well?
 
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Not much different than the first hand, you have less than a psb on the turn, shoving is fine.
 
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Regarding 2nd situation...

Considering your stack size by the flop (down to $130, pot is $70) and the nature of live casino cash games (which I assume this is), I'd be inclined to just shove the flop and call it an overbet, to be honest... The board's very wet indeed... By the time you've bet the flop you're pretty much committed anyway, yet you've given your opponent a free card...

Anyone disagree with this? ... Or check-raise all in of course, but only if you're pretty sure villain c-bets almost always...
 
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madtom. Yeah that's not horrible I think. But I want villian to incorrectly call w/ a weaker king, or J-X, or a small flush draw. Overbet would be much better if villian's range is pure combo draws.
 
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Considering your stack size by the flop (down to $130, pot is $70) and the nature of live casino cash games (which I assume this is), I'd be inclined to just shove the flop and call it an overbet
Overbetting or milking it in with two bets, either way the real problem is not managing your preflop raise to give you a stack size that's appropriate. When you've got an awkward stack size like this one, you're going to be left in a weird spot.

I generally lean towards betting smaller (two half pot bets) since draws are less prevalent in 3-bet pots. But if you're in a pot with a fish, you should probably just jam.
 
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Is villain a really bad fish then? Limping a lot? :s

Seems like an easy call to me... Even against a good player, they could be shoving a flush draw or OESD as a bluff... only 1 combo of KK and 3 combos of JJ that have you crushed. Oh and AA of course, 3 combos of that. Gotta go with AK if it hits in a 3-bet pot though, unless you have some super read.

Don't forget KJ which is a possibility.
 
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I think the first hand you can fold it, you definitely don't need to snap him off. Top pair top kicker isn't always a hand you need to lose your whole stack with. Of course there are times you need to go with this, but I don't see him flipping over many hands you're happy to see. How often is he going to do this with KQ, KT, or K9? I'd say not too often. You don't wanna see QT or a diamond draw. Too wet of a board for AK here.

The second hand, I think the bet sizing is fine, however the board is still pretty scary, and maybe shipping for $130 instead of laying close to 3 to 1 is a better play.
 
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