$200 NLHE Full Ring: A-K spades suited hits top pair with 2 clubs showing, villain re-raises...

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$200 NLHE Full Ring: A-K spades suited hits top pair with 2 clubs showing, villain re-raises...

I was in middle position at a $1-3 full table (9 players) approximately $250 stacked, villain has approximately $300.
I have AsKs
Villain straddles for $6,
I re-raise to $18,
villain and one person call.
Flop comes Kc-5c-2s.
opponent #2 checks,
I lead out $20,
villain raises to $60
opponent #2 folds....

Thoughts on my next move?
 
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This is a tricky one. Straddling tends to be a trait of loose aggressive players (but also of action junkies aka gamblers) which gives us some critical information I think.

So if this villain has been playing a lot of hands, straddling a lot, raising a lot , we need to carefully consider if they hit a set of 5s or even some random 2P like K5. We can rule out AA and AK and probably rule out QQ as they'd probably 4-bet you pre.

Some players also like to bet out their strong draws like this to kind of throw off your sense of whether or not they hit a huge flop or they're drawing. So someone with like AQ clubs might want to build the put in hopes of hitting a club on turn.

I think a lot of people would say fold here because a straddling villain probably plays a wider range of hands and could have hit a set or 2P here. Or maybe they have something like KJ or QJ and you're ahead. Depends how much you trust a read on the villain and also whether or not this is live or online.

If it was me facing this decision and I was certain (as in I've seen villain overplay top pair good or weak kicker before) they'd overvalue pairing their weak K I'd shove on them. But if I got the sense they straddle a lot, play lots of cards, and overbet small pocket pairs or any face card I'd fold.
 
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I went over the top and shoved, he snap called. I put him on a club draw or a set and put the math on more likely to have a club draw and wouldn't call given his stack size. Turns out he had 5-2 and was "protecting his straddle". He got a lot of heat from the rest of the table as he laughed while stacking my chips. Appreciate the input!
 
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I would lean towards just calling his raise and let him bluff if he is in fact bluffing. You could probably fold a club turn, otherwise I would just go with it on the turn.
 
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I was in middle position at a $1-3 full table (9 players) approximately $250 stacked, villain has approximately $300.
I have AsKs
Villain straddles for $6,
I re-raise to $18,
villain and one person call.
Flop comes Kc-5c-2s.
opponent #2 checks,
I lead out $20,
villain raises to $60
opponent #2 folds....

Thoughts on my next move?

So you are in position on the flop? So villain C/R you here?

In general, at these stakes, they have 2p+ when they are aggressive. Unless you have actually seen proof a person will semi bluff/bluff, I would advise taking actions like this as 2p+.

They are actually trying to protect their hand from the flush draw, usually.


Each situation is different, but I honestly probably call once, and re-evaluate on the turn. If this guy hauls it all in, you can fold. You can honestly fold the flop and feel pretty good about it IMO, but live reads, game dynamics, villain history, your image, etc, should all be considered when deciding what to do here.

If I thought villain had 2p+, I just fold flop. If I'm not sure (based on evidence and history), I will call once and re-evaluate. But beware, especially of you're deep, if they have a set you are drawing nearly dead. Many live low stakes players are literally so passive they will only take aggressive lines like this with sets. So, if you call, re-evaluate turn, improve, then you're still effed. Reverse implied odds in a nutshell.


Many of your opponents are playing with fear, they aren't rolled, they don't know what they're doing, basic fundamental strategy is unknown to them. This may be their paycheck or all the money they have to spare. Point being, don't expect some drooler at 1/2 or 1/3 to be check raising you like a sicko with air or a flush draw. They really don't bluff very often.

So I fold here mostly, call sometimes, see turn, and never ever 3b jam.


That's what I think anyway.
 
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I usually don't play 1/3 very often but my dad was in town and won't play higher than that. He was a fairly loose player and the hand before had reRaised me with a gut shot and when I folded he showed. Definitely played into my decision
 
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I'm probably "clicking back" in a live game 3-betting the minimum to gain information. It's going to cost you another $80 here to find out that you're behind, especially since he is shoving an all-in 4bet head's up as if it is 12 years ago. From there, up to you if you want to call it down, even though it sounds like you might find out what he has no matter what you do.

Again, not being results-oriented, you can't be too buzzkill with TPTK vs bottom two. Plenty of opportunity for you in a spot like that. Obviously, you have to figure out how to utilize it if you want to weaponize it. For example, if TPTK is way too common for you here, you may have to take the high-variance option of betting when behind if you can't suckle off any further on the teet if an ace turns or rivers with money behind. Honestly THIS guy, in particular, I think you can play the rest of the session allowing him to take the action as you know he bets on the come and thinks bottom two is the stone cold nuts. Get to showdown and punish his ill-gotten gains stack.
 
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