$200 NLHE Full Ring: 80NL live poker: Getting check-minraised on flop in low SPR pot

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$200 NLHE Full Ring: 80NL live poker: Getting check-minraised on flop in low SPR pot

80NL live ($1/$2 blinds) at my local casino. This was a very loose table and it was common for players to play hands such as Q2s, K8o, 85s, 22, A3o, 87o, etc. I was the tightest player on the table, and yet I was still playing fairly loose by online standards. Anyway, here is the hand:

Hero (UTG) has $80
Villain (BB) has $100
3 players sitting out
(Remember that the buyin is from $40 to $80, not your typical $80-$200 buyin like most casinos)

Hero is dealt Qs Jc
SB posts $1
Villain (BB) posts $2
Hero (UTG) raises to $12
UTG+1, UTG+2 and MP1 sitting out
MP2 folds
CO folds
BTN folds
SB folds
Villain (BB) calls $10

$25 in pot (2 players)
Flop shows Js 8d 8h

Villain checks
Hero bets $15
Villain raises to $30
Hero ???

Hero has only $53 behind so hero feels pot-committed, but hero is also worried that a check-minraise at these stakes usually means that the villain has a strong hand. What should the hero do?

Hero raises to $68 and is ALL-IN
Villain calls $38
Villain shows Kd Jh
 
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Fold it preflop.... You invest 15% of your stack with QJo... Your asking to be put in this spot.
 
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Fold it preflop.... You invest 15% of your stack with QJo... You're asking to be put in this spot.

The problem is that I was card dead... this was literally the first hand I played after folding for 1 hour. I got bored of folding so often whilst watching other players reach showdown with junk hands like A3o and Q2s. I felt that QJo was way ahead of the average players' calling range and that I would still be at an advantage with a hand like this. Plus I thought that my raise would be respected, given my super tight table image.

But anyway, given that I opened the hand preflop, how should I have proceeded postflop?
 
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The problem is that I was card dead... this was literally the first hand I played after folding for 1 hour. I got bored of folding so often whilst watching other players reach showdown with junk hands like A3o and Q2s. I felt that QJo was way ahead of the average players' calling range and that I would still be at an advantage with a hand like this. Plus I thought that my raise would be respected, given my super tight table image.

But anyway, given that I opened the hand preflop, how should I have proceeded postflop?

Even so, there is still no need to open this hand UTG. If we are going to do this, do it from late position and make it like $8.

Well what can you do postflop, you opened with QJo UTG and out yourself in a horrible spot given SPR. Its tough to fold TP when you do that, although you only beat his QT, Q9 and any bluffs in vllains range but these don't make much sense so I might actually lean towards folding and learning your lesson here, but stacking off is also ok also once your in this spot as you are really pot committed. You did this to yourself though and deserve to lose the pot...

Being card dead is no excuse to turn into a fish. Perhaps look up MSS cash game strategy, as if you got this down you could easily crush this game. Playing 40bb deep games is okay, but you have to learn how to play correctly at this stack size.
 
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I don't consider myself a fish when I was aggressive, I raised preflop and then I Cbet the flop. Most fish would simply limp-call preflop (even with hands significantly worse than this) and then either check-call the flop or make a ridiculously small bet (under $10) on the flop and then flat-call the raise, without even considering things like the SPR and how pot-committed they are.

But I see your point that QJo was a little bit too loose. I don't think it was too bad (it's not like I opened K5s or Q9o), but ideally, I'd wait for AJ+ and KQ type hands.

Although suppose that instead of QJo I opened AJo and the exact same situation happened. Would you happily stack off TPTK after facing this check-minraise?
 
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I find the phrase "respecting raises" pretty funny. Nobody at any stake respects anybody's raises unless their opponent is a 8/7 nit; even then the ultra-loose players do not care. When you move up, people still do not respect your raises and 3-bet/4-bet you more relentlessly than the previous stake.

I think full-ring I'd probably check back QJo as played. You are way ahead or way behind here, and there are no flush draws out there. Not too many hand combinations with straight draws out there either, as 2 of the Jacks are blocked. When you stack off here, you are almost always going to be behind.

You were not even pot committed here. You raised to $15, c-bet $12, and had $52 behind. Even if you were more pot committed, you shouldn't be calling off all your chips when you know you're 90%+ of the time drawing to 2 outs or drawing dead.

AJo I'd stack off but not feeling happy about it. We're beat by QQ/JJ, and maybe slowplayed KK/AA (from what I've read almost all 3-bets at 1/2 live are KK/AA, and even sometimes they don't 3-bet pre) and by any random 8x hand. We do however beat enough KJs/KJo/QJs/QJo and maybe some other Jx combo hands these fish are messing around with with a min-raise OTF to warrant a stack-off.

You shouldn't be raising AJo UTG full-ring anyway. UTG full-ring should be super tight, something like JJ+/AQs+. You're OOP, and you have 8 players to act behind you. It's not going to be hard for someone to wake up with a monster, and you're going to have really bad reverse implied odds. If they were better players, you'd probably also get outplayed a lot more as you're at a positional disadvantage. You're pretty much always going to be OOP in such a loose game, and getting into pretty sticky spots.
 
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3 players were sitting out, so this had essentially become a 6-max game.
 
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