$200 NLHE Full Ring: 300NLHE FULL RING: What is the best line to take.

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Hello new to forum.$1/$3 LIVE CASH, PASSIVE TABLE W/ 1 OTHER SOLID PLAYER.


HERO: BB $950
We have been raising and 3 betting often but we haven't gotten outta line and shown credibility.


VILLAIN: HJ $1000
Solid, competent. Will play aggressive if he smells weakness.


Action folds to VILLAIN. Raises to $12.
BTN calls (200 effective).


HERO flats and closes.


FLOP: Ace S, 6H, 2H. (Pot $37)
---HERO checks, V bets $20, BTN folds, HERO calls.
TURN: 6C (Pot $77)
---HERO checks, V checks.
RIVER: Jack H (Pot $77)
--HERO now leads for $100.
--VILLAIN raises to $250.


POT $477


HERO?


Real time we weren't sure if we were going to get paid off by A9s-AQ, but we didn't want to loose value by checking and having V checking behind us. So I went for maximum value but we ended up getting raised instead.


I will post more thoughts that went through my head after some replies.
 
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oops lol that might help

King H, 10H
 
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Its possible he's bluffing with the Ah in his hand, maybe he checked turn with a hand like A9 A10 to pot control and thinks he can knock you off a lower flush or a 6. But the paired board makes that less likely.

He can't have a lone 6 because the turn check makes no sense, given the heart draw.

My guess would be he turned a house and didn't think he could get 3 streets of value. Either that or he checked back JJ on the turn and housed up on the river.
 
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One thing to add is.

I suppose bluff raising with the Ah wouldn't be so bad given you have only 2 full houses in your range A6 or 22.
 
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Its possible he's bluffing with the Ah in his hand, maybe he checked turn with a hand like A9 A10 to pot control and thinks he can knock you off a lower flush or a 6. But the paired board makes that less likely.

He can't have a lone 6 because the turn check makes no sense, given the heart draw.

My guess would be he turned a house and didn't think he could get 3 streets of value. Either that or he checked back JJ on the turn and housed up on the river.

I just didn't think he would choose to bluff here, or at least not with that sizing.


I ended up throwing up and folding lol although I felt I was supposed to call. 150 to win 425ish. That's almost 3:1 on a call. I had him on Ax but once he raised I knew he was stronger that what I thought he was.


He asked me if I had an ace lol, and I told him," cmon man, you think I'm value betting an ace? I had a K high flush". I asked if he had a baby flush or the nut flush and he said he had a Qhigh flush. He also said that if he had the ace high flush draw that he would've barreled the turn which made sense although I would have taken the free card myself. Sigh... for some reason I still think he had no less than ace high flush and that he overvalued his hand, something that is very common at this 1/3 game which is why I should've called. I'm still learning so it's ok. I was hoping to get more feedback. Thanks for the reply Blair29!
 
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Sucks you had to lay down on the river, but I think we are probably beat here. Q high flush......ummm not buying it. You believe the villain is competent so I don't see him taking this line without the nut flush at least. Given his actions through the hand (particularly checking behind on the turn) a 6 is quite unlikely. I think he shows up here with A high flush, AA, or JJ fairly often. Getting 3 to 1 pot odds against an unknown or below average player I consider calling and almost always call with A high flush. In this spot against this villain, I think we should sigh, cry about it, and then find a fold.
 
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Sucks you had to lay down on the river, but I think we are probably beat here. Q high flush......ummm not buying it. You believe the villain is competent so I don't see him taking this line without the nut flush at least. Given his actions through the hand (particularly checking behind on the turn) a 6 is quite unlikely. I think he shows up here with A high flush, AA, or JJ fairly often. Getting 3 to 1 pot odds against an unknown or below average player I consider calling and almost always call with A high flush. In this spot against this villain, I think we should sigh, cry about it, and then find a fold.

Yea I didn't buy it either...
Real time I had a gut feeling that he could've been holding AxHH, but in case he didn't, that I had to value bet my hand on the river and fold to any raise. I've been in many spots where I check and loose value when I make my flush and villain checks behind.
 
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Since you overbet river he’s gonna be weighted towards value. The question is whether or not he can overvalue any hands that you beat? And weighted towards value doesn’t mean zero bluffs; esp if you describe him as competent.

You’re probably beat here. His hand seems a lot like JJ to me. But the pot odds make this close because competent players don’t always have to have it


OTOH competent players also don’t raise so small as bluffs....so it’s a sick spot and a fold is probably best. I don’t know if I could fold it in real time though.
 
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Oh this is so hard. I feel like my only criticism here is your sizing on the river. It's hardly asking for a call. You put most villains in a shove/fold range unless they have a really weak boat.

I'd be more inclined in the future to value bet against what you had him on (weak AX, maybe 2 pair) say $50-$75 and hopefully get paid off.
 
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Since you overbet river he’s gonna be weighted towards value. The question is whether or not he can overvalue any hands that you beat? And weighted towards value doesn’t mean zero bluffs; esp if you describe him as competent.

You’re probably beat here. His hand seems a lot like JJ to me. But the pot odds make this close because competent players don’t always have to have it


OTOH competent players also don’t raise so small as bluffs....so it’s a sick spot and a fold is probably best. I don’t know if I could fold it in real time though.

Yea, only thing I could beat was an over valued hand. I didn't expect him to bluff too often in that spot. Thanks for the feedback!
 
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Oh this is so hard. I feel like my only criticism here is your sizing on the river. It's hardly asking for a call. You put most villains in a shove/fold range unless they have a really weak boat.

I'd be more inclined in the future to value bet against what you had him on (weak AX, maybe 2 pair) say $50-$75 and hopefully get paid off.

I totally agree, although I'm used to sizing a bit bigger here since I usually get paid off. With this particular player, I should've sized smaller tho.
 
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