$200 NLHE Full Ring: 3 way low straight w/ flush draw how do I fold?

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In a wild game at the casino last night and I can't tell if i just made a terrible call or what. I really appreciate anybody's input and advice. I was bb villain1 to my left has been playing very tight all night not raising very often but willing to call down with top pair. Villain 2 is on the button and has been raising almost every hand no matter what he has and has been generally very loose and aggressive. I had 10 8 spades call v2 standard 12 dollar raise preflop(has been raising 7 or 12 dollars literally almost every hand with absolute crap) villain 1 calls 3 other random calls. Flop is Ks Qs 9d. check to v2 who bets $30 only me and v1 call. Turn Jh. I check hoping to trap v2 but v1 bets 10 v2 raises to 100.

Now like i said v1 has been very very tight she will call with top pair but rarely bets. She said she only bets with the nuts especially against v2 who has been playing reckless and hitting all night. Usually i would have pushed all in I had about 300 dollars more and both v1 and v2 had me covered. But my read on v1 was she was very tight. I only call v2s bet but v1 goes all in. v2 takes awhile and calls. Now there is over 700 in the pot. I only have about 200 left? Do I fold here based on my read of V1 or if i think my flush draw is still good do I call? I called v1 had Broadway v2 had a set of queens. No spade came. did i play this hand horribly or just got some bad luck?
 
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She said she only bets with the nuts

LOL Live players. If someone only bets with the nuts and she bets, what does that tell you?

Raise the flop.
 
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LOL i forgot online players know everything. People say alot of things at the poker table, I don't usually 100% believe them. But to be honest this woman was really tight and i did have the suspicion that she had the one hand beating me. But there was only one hand beating me and I figured i had a alot of outs even if she did have it. I guess I should have also considered v2 and figured he may have had my flush draw dominated as well. How much should I have raised on the flop? the pot was about 70 dollars i had less then three hundred and both of the other two players had around 400.
 
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I'm a live player. Make it $100/call shove.
 
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That would have gotten v1 out but do you usually try to isolate players when you only have a draw?
 
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Play your equity (which is pretty huge) aggressively to add fold equity vs. loose players who have wide/weak ranges.
 
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Didn't think of the hand that way. Thanks for your advice. V2 was very loose and aggressive he put me all in earlier with bottom pair. He could have re raised me all in on the flop. He honestly could have any 2 cards but I would to hate to call all my money on a draw. anyways thanks for your help.
 
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With your hand there are a couple of nightmare scenarios -- if he has AJss or A9ss you're in terrible shape -- but even against a set we have 33%, 40% vs. the nuts and basically flipping with TPTK. With dead money and fold equity (surely his range for betting is wider than sets/JT) we'll have a profitable raise.
 
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+1 baudib

Raise the flop, take advantage of fold equity.

Not to be results oriented, but the very way it played out is an excellent example of why. What should have happened is you raise-v2 shoves-AT folds and you take down a big pot.
 
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