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A friend and I were discussing this hand - we had wildly different views on how it should be played. Wanted to bring it to the group for discussion.

1/2 live game in a rake-monster casino - table loves to limp, loves to call.


Preflop
Hero in hijack holding :10d4: :10h4:

Villain on the button calls. Has a notepad and appears to be keeping notes on each hand he plays.


SB and BB fold.


Flop
:jd4: :jh4: :5c4:

Hero checks, villain checks behind


Turn
:6d4:


Hero bets $15
Villain calls


River
:7h4:
Hero bets $15
Villain raises to $65


Hero folds


Now, the central question around the flop in our debate is this check because it's way ahead/way behind, or is it a case of c-bet because they're aren't too many jacks in his range.
 
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A friend and I were discussing this hand - we had wildly different views on how it should be played. Wanted to bring it to the group for discussion.

1/2 live game in a rake-monster casino - table loves to limp, loves to call.


Preflop
Hero in hijack holding :10d4: :10h4:

Villain on the button calls. Has a notepad and appears to be keeping notes on each hand he plays.


SB and BB fold.


Flop
:jd4: :jh4: :5c4:

Hero checks, villain checks behind


Turn
:6d4:


Hero bets $15
Villain calls


River
:7h4:
Hero bets $15
Villain raises to $65


Hero folds


Now, the central question around the flop in our debate is this check because it's way ahead/way behind, or is it a case of c-bet because they're aren't too many jacks in his range.

What was the pre-flop action here? You said V called pre-flop, did you raise pre-flop and V called it? Or did you both limp in? Obviously you want to be open raising 1010 here in many cases. And if we're not opening,we can still call a small/standard PFR if multiple players in hand to set mine.

So assuming you bet out pre-flop and V just flat called you, I think a C-bet onto flop (maybe 30-40% of pot is good here); if they come over the top you can fold. But without the C-bet we have no idea where we're at in this hand, it's possible V called cheap pre-flop to set mine and if they didn't set mine 5s, the free turn you gave them could have made a set of 6s. Or they had something like QJs and spiked the trips on flop. Since they didn't re-raise pre-flop it;s likely they were set mining a low pocket pair or some type of Jx hand.

As played, I check the river for pot control and maybe, just maybe call a small river bet by villian; BUT likely would just check/fold river because it's unlikely they were looking for draws on the board and very likely they spiked trips on flop or turned a set of sixes.
 
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It wasn't my hand, but it the hand was opened for 3bb
 
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I think that you should be c-betting this flop 100% of the time. The reason is because he has SO many worse hands he will call you with here. AK/AQ type hands with 2 overs are going to float almost always here, and even small pocket pairs will continue because this is a board that will miss you frequently.

Your opponent: What hands does he show up here with that are way ahead? AJ? MAYBE a suited J9? That is too narrow of a range to be afraid of. You need to be extracting value.

Ask yourself this question "if I bet here will I be called by worse hands more than 50% of the time?"

In this case I think its a clear c-bet.

Also I think it was a good fold btw. Most likely he had a middle pair and boated on the turn or river.
 
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I think the standard play on the flop is a c-bet; however, checking is not at all a bad play. It’s a trappy play (higher risk/higher reward), which I’m personally inclined to do if I am comfortable with my reads.

As played, I think you have to fold here unfortunately. He’s repping 89 (haven’t seen spoiler) but could very possibly have a J. If he’s bluffing, he could only have a busted flush but even that would be an odd play since you showed reasonable strength on an otherwise dry board.
 
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Also, I agree that check-call on the river is the correct play. You have showdown equity, you keep the pot small when out of position, you give him a chance to bet a worse hand, and don’t give him a chance to come over the top like he did.
 
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River has to be a check since you checked the flop. Your range is so capped (it's hard for you to have a great hand), and a lot of draws got there on the river. And your opponent can still be slow playing the nuts.

Also, bet the flop.
 
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