$200 NLHE Full Ring: $200 NLHE Full Ring: lower 2P on flushed/st8 possibile board

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Here's a fun hand from last night/this morning's session. What do you think?

Hero on button with KQo. Checks round to me, I make it $10. Blinds fold, UTG calls. Everyone else folds we go HU. UTG is somewhat of a reg, he's generally pretty tight but for some reason most players seem him as a bit of a gambler and often call him down. I've just watched him wreck people over and over with premium quality hands and we come into this situation:

Flop comes KsQd8s

I bet $25, UTG insta calls

Turn is 9c

I bet around $70, UTG tanks a bit and calls. At this moment I put the guy on AK or AQ which is well within his range. I contemplated a check here but do not want to give a cheap river given the possibilities.

River is As putting a flush and st8 possibility out there.


So board is KsQd8s9cAs


Hero is first to act, what's your move?
 
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How can 6ou be first to act on the river (or any street) if you are the BTN, and V is UTG?

Perhaps you need to re-write this?
 
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How can 6ou be first to act on the river (or any street) if you are the BTN, and V is UTG?

Perhaps you need to re-write this?


Good eye, it was like 6:30am when I wrote this. I was small blind. Thank you for pointing this out, double checked rest of hand post as well.

So I was first to act as small blind.
 
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Soon as someone tanks a bit and calls... Usually this is a tell and shows huge strength. Just think they had plenty of time to think about their strength of the hand and probably got the nuts and trying to do Hollywood on you thinking he has a tough decision when all he's thinking is chips in the middle.

River we just check because theres no more value there.
 
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Good eye, it was like 6:30am when I wrote this. I was small blind. Thank you for pointing this out, double checked rest of hand post as well.

So I was first to act as small blind.


If there are limpers, I probably just complete in SB and go from there. Playing OOP is not fun.


River is a check, and mayyyybe a call based on reads, and V. Probably just C/F river here.
 
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I believe you are right to give your opponent credit for a good starting hand here. The fact that he is UTG as well as your impression of him being a somewhat competent reg who likes to wait for premium hands points to that being the case. Once the Ace hits the river, virtually all of his possible hands got there. Since we believe the villain to be a good player we can just about eliminate hands like AJ, AT, JJ, TT because it is unlikely he calls the flop and turn with these hands. Your assessment of AK/AQ both got there. I'm never going to lead out here because you will NEVER be ahead when called and there is not much fold equity here. Your best hope is him having something along the lines of KJ, QJ, without spades and checking behind. The river crushed you and you are dead in the water. I'm checking and folding to a bet.
 
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Soon as someone tanks a bit and calls... Usually this is a tell and shows huge strength. Just think they had plenty of time to think about their strength of the hand and probably got the nuts and trying to do Hollywood on you thinking he has a tough decision when all he's thinking is chips in the middle.

River we just check because theres no more value there.

I was thinking this too, he was tank thinking how much he could get out of me.

If there are limpers, I probably just complete in SB and go from there. Playing OOP is not fun.


River is a check, and mayyyybe a call based on reads, and V. Probably just C/F river here.

OOP is def stressful trying to get the correct reads while making sure you get paid on your good hands without being run over by LP stronger hands. A check seemed right, but spoiler below reveals a call would have been better against villain although given the info not likely the best choice in this spot done over hundreds of times.

I believe you are right to give your opponent credit for a good starting hand here. The fact that he is UTG as well as your impression of him being a somewhat competent reg who likes to wait for premium hands points to that being the case. Once the Ace hits the river, virtually all of his possible hands got there. Since we believe the villain to be a good player we can just about eliminate hands like AJ, AT, JJ, TT because it is unlikely he calls the flop and turn with these hands. Your assessment of AK/AQ both got there. I'm never going to lead out here because you will NEVER be ahead when called and there is not much fold equity here. Your best hope is him having something along the lines of KJ, QJ, without spades and checking behind. The river crushed you and you are dead in the water. I'm checking and folding to a bet.

I gave him credit alright but spoiler below along with some of my analysis and chat with the guy who was chill and open to chatting about the hand shows that if that river spade didn't fall I would have put the rest of my stack in and chopped the pot. Even when the river Ace of spades falls I could have shoved and he probably folds. Basically the sense was neither of us knew where the other was in the hand, he took a spewy aggressive river risk and it worked out.

SPOILER: I check the river OOP as many suggested. Overall makes sense given the river card. Villian tanks and bets $110 (putting me all in). I tank and end up folding. He shows KQ (no spades) and we would have chopped the pot as we both had the same hand. He took a massive risk shoving here given all that could have beaten KQ. When I went back over the hand and thought about what his range was (generally tight) it didn't make sense for him to be holding something like J10 nor would he have been paying less than 2:1 to see a flush draw get filled up. It's possible he holds a single premium spade in his hand and thus makes a flush by chance on river.

I definitely expected a check/check river and either I lose to something like AQ or AK or a random set or my 2P holds up. The big river raise by him threw me off as it should but long term his move on this board seemed spew like, if I check shove a made flush on him he cost himself an extra 55BB or so. Overall I wasn't pleased to see that he basically bluffed me off a chopped pot but am happy with my check to the river because its highly unlikely worse is calling a bet.
 
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AK and AQ is not in his range he would have bet that pre. JT sure is in his range though. The fact that he is pretty tight and called you pre and post and the wet sloppy mess of a board by the turn would get me to slow 'er down. Check turn and see if see what he does. If he bets we have to seriously consider folding. If he checks we hope we can check down to showdown. The river is certainly a scare card and we are getting out if he bets after we check. Unfortunate turn and river cards.
 
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Huh, very interesting spoiler!
 
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Check river and call depending on what info you have about him, but I'd say he had a JT out there, that's why he didn't bet from UTG preflop but still called you. With AK he would have bet guaranteed.
 
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