$200 NLHE Full Ring: $200 NLHE, As-Qs UTG+1, line check, thoughts?

Hello all. I played this hand a few days ago. Honestly don't know if I played it good or bad. I will stop the action at the turn, where I think my course of action is most important.


After discussion of the turn decision, perhaps I will post the turn and river (as played).


1/2 NLHE 50-300 or max stack.

V- ($330) I have played with him before, he seems to be tight, and he is a thinking player. He is a gentleman, good sport, and I see him at the casino somewhat frequently. I don't really know for sure if he's a winning player, probably.


Other Vs, can't remember. Not really relevant as you'll see.


Hero- ($480) must be seen as a tight TAG. I think I do have somewhat of an unpredictable image. I will 3b light, squeeze, etc, if the opportunity presents itself. Once in a while, not often. Opening range is tight and ABCish, but I don't know how aware V is of this, many of my hands have not gone to SD. I get the feeling when I win pots with no SD, most table mates always suspect you are a maniac bluffer. They will even ask for me to show sometimes, but I hardly ever do.



PF:

Hero is UTG+1. Action folds to H. Looks down at As-Qs. Opens to $12. 2 callers.


Flop Qc-9s-9c ($36)

Hero leads for $30. MP folds, LP V calls.


Stop right here, my thoughts are:

There are potentially loads of combos here that I am ahead of, J-T, clubs, Qx, possibly even floats with gutters/PPs. So I feel ok ATM regarding the hand.


Turn 6s. Board reads Qc-9s-9c-6s ($96)



So obv. we pick up a BDFD. What should hero do here? Range is foggy and not clear (the wonders of being OOP).


I feel like a bet here could be OK, and I also think most 9x hands would raise if I bet? Being OOP really sucks.

H?

I think I would be happy bet/calling here if he does raise. All of the draws that you mentioned on the flop are still drawing so we should be charging him for those. There are also draws here that may raise this turn, any 87, T8, J8, JT, KT, KJ of clubs or Spades may raise you here and against these we are huge favourites.

Plus he doesn't always raise here right? We have TPTK lets get some value from that shit.

No Brainer said:

I think I would be happy bet/calling here if he does raise. All of the draws that you mentioned on the flop are still drawing so we should be charging him for those. There are also draws here that may raise this turn, any 87, T8, J8, JT, KT, KJ of clubs or Spades may raise you here and against these we are huge favourites.

Plus he doesn't always raise here right? We have TPTK lets get some value from that shit.

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I agree with this. What do you think a good bet size would be for this?

We want to charge draws, but don't want to inflate the pot massively while OOP, maybe $65-$70.

No Brainer said:

We want to charge draws, but don't want to inflate the pot massively while OOP, maybe $65-$70.

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Ok. So as played, I chose to bet $50.


V calls, not fast, not slow. 3-5 seconds maybe.


River 10d. Board Qc-9s-9c-6s-10d ($196ish)


Now in real time, I am thinking of checking, and calling. I want to induce a bet from V, so I can call, rather than bet/get raised, gross.


Should hero be checking or betting this river?

My 1st sense was raise turn but this is a mistake. We dont actually beat a tight guys calling range.

We must go into a check mode and make showdown cheap as possible.. even if we hit flush could b still dead

You said hes tight and he seems like a shark the way he acts.

Weaker player im beting and shoving turn but this is mistake against tight guy

Turn bet too small. Make it about 70-75% PSB. Bet/fold river about 45-55% PSB. I don't think he has a 9 here, as he's probably raising OTF/OTT given deep-stacks and how wet the board is. Check-calling turn is okay too, especially against competent players. They aren't going to stack off with worse than TPTK. Although we have the nut flush draw, our hand is still TPTK OTT.

If you check, he's probably checking behind everything you beat and betting everything that beats you. It's not very likely that he would stab at the river with air when you've shown strength on OTF/OTT multi-way, and if he did it'd look like a busted draw. The only hand that realistically got there OTR is KJcc. I don't think he's the type to call a turn barrel with KJo. He might have though since you made the turn bet a little small.

Unless he decided to get tricky and slowplay, I think a value bet OTR is good. It's probably thin, but against live players who can't fold Qx, it's good. Against solid players, I'm not looking to get 3 streets of value from TPTK on this board runout.

Aces2w1n said:

My 1st sense was raise turn but this is a mistake. We dont actually beat a tight guys calling range.

We must go into a check mode and make showdown cheap as possible.. even if we hit flush could b still dead

You said hes tight and he seems like a shark the way he acts.

Weaker player im beting and shoving turn but this is mistake against tight guy

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MinhANguyen said:

Turn bet too small. Make it about 70-75% PSB. Bet/fold river about 45-55% PSB. I don't think he has a 9 here, as he's probably raising OTF/OTT given deep-stacks and how wet the board is. Check-calling turn is okay too, especially against competent players. They aren't going to stack off with worse than TPTK. Although we have the nut flush draw, our hand is still TPTK OTT.

If you check, he's probably checking behind everything you beat and betting everything that beats you. It's not very likely that he would stab at the river with air when you've shown strength on OTF/OTT multi-way, and if he did it'd look like a busted draw. The only hand that realistically got there OTR is KJcc. I don't think he's the type to call a turn barrel with KJo. He might have though since you made the turn bet a little small.

Unless he decided to get tricky and slowplay, I think a value bet OTR is good. It's probably thin, but against live players who can't fold Qx, it's good. Against solid players, I'm not looking to get 3 streets of value from TPTK on this board runout.

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Thanks for the input guys. Good stuff.

+1 to Minh's comments. The ten is a fine card there and you only lose to KJcc and Q10. You can get value from other queens and it doesn't seem like you need to be afraid of a raise from this villain.

Metsdude396 said:

+1 to Minh's comments. The ten is a fine card there and you only lose to KJcc and Q10. You can get value from other queens and it doesn't seem like you need to be afraid of a raise from this villain.

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Yeah I agree. Minh always seems to have solid input. He knows his stuff for sure.

+1 to the comment that Minh gives great advice.